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Posted by: thepinetree on 09/08/2014 10:42 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 09/08/2014 10:44 AM
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New Law Requires Motorists To Allow Three Feet Of Clearance Near Bicyclists

Sacramento, CA...With children heading back to school, motorists should expect to see more children riding to and from school on their bicycles. The California Highway Patrol (CHP) would like to remind the public that on September 16, 2014, a new law affecting motorists and bicyclists takes effect....







According to the law, a driver must allow three feet of distance when overtaking or passing a bicyclist. If three feet is not available, a driver must then slow to a safe speed and pass when no danger is present.



"Motorists are reminded to pay close attention as the school year approaches and exercise caution when they see bicyclists on the road," said CHP Commissioner Joe Farrow. "Be sure to move over or slow down to pass when you see a bicyclist on the road and help keep our roadways a safer place."



According to data from the Statewide Integrated Traffic Records System, in 2012, there were 153 bicyclists killed in California, which reflects a 7 percent increase from 2011. Those deaths accounted for 5 percent of the total collision fatalities in California.



"As important as it is for vehicles to be mindful of our bicyclists, those who ride must exercise safe practices and ride smart," added Commissioner Farrow. "With both drivers and bicyclists doing their part, we can help reduce the number of tragedies involving bicyclists."



The danger surrounding motor vehicle traffic is just one aspect of a child's safe passage to and from school. According to Safekids.org, more children ages 5 to 14 are seen in emergency rooms for injuries related to bicycling than any other sport. Bicycle helmets, which are required by law for children under 18 years of age in California, can reduce the risk of severe brain injuries by 88 percent - yet only 45 percent of children 14 and under usually wear them.

The CHP joins with Safekids.org in offering the following traffic safety tips for bicyclists:



"Use your head, wear a helmet." It is the single most effective safety device available to reduce head injuries and deaths from bicycle crashes.



Tell your children to ride on the right side of the road with traffic, not against it. Stay as far to the right as possible.



Use appropriate hand signals and obey traffic signals, stopping at all stop signs and stoplights.



Teach your children to make eye contact with drivers. Bicyclists should make sure drivers are paying attention and are going to stop before they cross the street.



When riding at dusk, dawn, or in the evening, be bright and use lights - and make sure your bike has reflectors as well. It is also smart to wear clothes and accessories that have retro-reflective materials to improve bicyclist visibility to motorists.



Actively supervise children until you are comfortable that they are responsible to ride on their own.



The mission of the California Highway Patrol is to provide the highest level of Safety, Service, and Security to the people of California.



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No Subject
Posted on: 2014-09-08 11:11:56   By: Anonymous
 
I understand that this law will work really well in the city. Makes sense actually.

But how do we not endanger ourselves on hwy4 with idiot flatlanders on their bikes riding the highway?

Yesterday coming back from murphys there were two different cyclists who had everyone veering far across the double yellows to get around them.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 11:12:53   By: Anonymous
     
    You know they are flatlanders because no normal mountain person would ride ON THE HIGHWAY instead of the amazing trails everywhere up here.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:26:19   By: Anonymous
       
      Well said we are lucky to have such great trails between Arnold and Bear. You have to be crazy to ride hwy 4 no shoulder and too many cars.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 15:12:48   By: Anonymous
         
        Need a trail bike for mountain riding and even if you have one trails are not marked we'll and there are cats and lions to consider requiring a bunch of safety equipment to carry with you.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-09 18:43:27   By: Anonymous
         
        Peddlers should not receive any special treatment . They deserve and should show the same treatment and respect as any other vehicle. But they get on the highway knowing the risks, when most reasonable people would not do the same. Too many of them fail to make way for fellow travelers who may well have more than a recreational need to get someplace at more than 15 mph. Are peddlers more deserving than truck drivers or roller bladers or anyone else?

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      Re: move over
      Posted on: 2014-09-09 11:58:34   By: Anonymous
       
      Peddlers who ride the white line under this new law will take up 48 inches on a 144 inch (12 wide highway), leaving only 96 inches for a 102 inch vehicle to pass. So peddlers should show the same courtesy as other vehicles are required to do- if cars line up behind you, pull far enough over or get off the road giving the other vehicles room to pass safely and legally.. share the road!!!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 11:24:57   By: Anonymous
     
    Yeah, I also had to slow way down and swing around them. They were riding 2 abreast, 1 on each side of the fog line. I didn't cross the yellow, but came close, and I don't believe there was 3 feet between me and the closest rider.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 11:39:44   By: Anonymous
       
      watch out-these "its my road bike riders" have shared in their media formats that they can easily cause havoc for drivers by pulling within 3 feet of a vehicle and calling appropriate authorities (or maybe the other way around) to force a ticket and the issue they have lobbied for and won). Used to be simple-anything that drove on the same side of the road as a vehicle was treated the same with regard to rules of the road-bikes simply needed to understand the basic weight and materials difference in them versus the cars-trucks etc. Can you imagine this law and the logging trucks, buses, and current road work on HWY 4? Its like saying its ok for the motorcycles to pass on left between lane lines and cars and then making the blame for mirror, bumper and side damages the cars fault if there is "not enough room" and the bike hits the car or vice versa. If the time was taken for meaningful things by the legislooters (yes I meant to spell it this way) ?!?!?!?!?

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 11:48:53   By: Anonymous
         
        These idiots make it bad for the rest of use cyclist who are law abiding and care about our personal safety. Please don't judge us all by the actions of a few morons. Bike vs car, car always wins.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:35:24   By: Anonymous
           
          Motorist beware. If a suicyclist (correct spelling) causes you to hit him, you are at fault and you will pay regardless of the circumstances. NEXT CASE!

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 12:48:38   By: Anonymous
         
        do u pay a tax for your bike to use the highway if not iy should not be on the road just like a care motercycle

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 16:27:24   By: Anonymous
           
          It's called income tax. And they make more money than you.

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    HIGHWAY 4 BIKERS
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 16:03:37   By: Anonymous
     
    THERE IS NO WAY FOR 2 CARS TO MOVE 3 FEET AWAY ON EITHER SIDE AND NOT END UP IN A HEAD ON COLLISION. THIS LAW IS RIDICULOUS AND THE BIKERS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ALONG A CERTAIN STRETCH OF HIGHWAY 4. THEY ENDANGER THE VEHICLES AND THEMSELVES......

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:57:57   By: Anonymous
     
    DA, the law says 3 feet. All the opinion in the world won't change that now. The idea is you slow down till there is room to pass safely. But seeing as how most up here think that driving on the shoulder at full speed to pass a left turner is ok, I don't see why you balk at crossing a double yellow to do the same.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-09 13:44:03   By: Anonymous
       
      The idea is for peddlers to pull over to provide the room for others to pass safely!!!!

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Road Bikes On Hwy 4
Posted on: 2014-09-08 11:49:27   By: Anonymous
 
I am a local and ride from Arnold, Dorrington,,,ect...all on the Hwy. Yes there is no real shoulder but I ride as close as I can to the white line.......we ride single file, and try to stay to the right. But there is at time sand, rocks and even glass on the shoulder so we must ride the white line...........remember now there is a LAW to protect us, and to keep you all honest we now use a video camera to keep track of "Road Rage" against us bicycles.

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    Re: Road Bikes On Hwy 4
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 12:15:32   By: Anonymous
     
    Thump Thump! Sorry for running over your Go Pro & You. I'll stop next time!

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    Re: Road Bikes On Hwy 4
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 12:34:24   By: Anonymous
     
    Well, now I am glad you "share the road" people have friends at the capital who have passed a LAW in insure your stupidity. Ride on I suppose. Law or not, if you get run over by a motorist, you will still be in a world of hurt.

    PI

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      Re: Road Bikes On Hwy 4
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 12:57:17   By: Anonymous
       
      I'll give you three inches but not three feet.

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        Re: Road Bikes On Hwy 4
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:26:00   By: Anonymous
         
        I bet all of the women hate you!

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    Re: Road Bikes On Hwy 4
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:30:35   By: Anonymous
     
    There goes your flatlander theory you Clown !

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Think about this scenario
Posted on: 2014-09-08 12:53:01   By: Anonymous
 
Your coming up Utica Grade going into the curves, two slow bike riders ahead on your fog line. You slow down, but all of sudden someone coming down hill too fast or not paying attention swings into your lane. You are faced with a head on which will potentially kill your kids, or you swing to the right and hit the bike riders!!! You are screwed either way. Is it best to protect the kids because they did not contribute to this situation? What do the bike riders say?

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    Re: Think about this scenario
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 13:04:32   By: Anonymous
     
    Please to refer to them as cyclists, not bikers, it is an insult to all good "Bikers" to be put in the same category as the spandex crowd . Different group and mentality all together.
    Cyclists tend to be snooty road hogs.

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      Re: Think about this scenario
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 15:20:56   By: Anonymous
       
      Would those two good "bikers", be the ones I saw passing a car across a double yellow line today?

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        Re: Think about this scenario
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:19:04   By: Anonymous
         
        Mighta been, at least they can get out of their own way.

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        Re: Think about this scenario
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:23:51   By: Anonymous
         
        were you slowing traffic on your tricycle? I can picture it comma spandex rides cycle at 5 miles per in a fifty uphill with a solid yellow line. You damn right they jumped the double to get away from you.

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    Re: Think about this scenario
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 13:10:31   By: Anonymous
     
    Sorry, bicyclists not bikers or cyclists. Motorcycles stay with traffic so the scenario would not likely apply.

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      Re: Think about this scenario
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 15:15:39   By: Anonymous
       
      Worst thing ever for a Biker is traveling a back road and finding these bicyclists riding 2 or 3 wide instead of single file as they should. Grab gears, grab brakes down shift, pray nobody is coming in the other lane so you can go around them with out wiping yourself or the bicyclists off the roadway. Stop at next gas station and get your extra pair of shorts out of your saddle bags just in case you sharted due to your pucker factor was put off the scale needlessly by some idiot riding a bicycle. What is worse though is you see the ear bud wires hanging down from their ears so you know they did not hear you coming even though you run straight pipes. @fml

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    Re: Think about this scenario
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 23:35:55   By: Anonymous
     
    Why were you passing the bicyclists when you could not see far enough ahead to clear them?

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No Subject
Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:16:31   By: Anonymous
 
The level of ignorance, intolerance and just flat-out stupidity displayed by our community members (especially on this site) never ceases to astound me.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:20:39   By: Anonymous
     
    SHUT UP CHUMP!

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:28:13   By: Anonymous
       
      The Pine Tree has once again given the opportunity for the Hillbillies to make their ignorant remarks. Way to go Pine Tree.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:34:51   By: Anonymous
         
        As long as you can remain anonymous you'll always have posts from the weirdos

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          Re: PAY BICYCLE TAX
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:50:59   By: Anonymous
           
          Pay TAX to use these roads just like the rest of us ... Tax the BICYCLES and provide stickers just like for cars etc!! About damn time they paid!!

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            Re: PAY BICYCLE TAX
            Posted on: 2014-09-08 16:31:34   By: Anonymous
             
            Do you actually think your car registration pays for the roads?

            You are stupid.

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            Re: PAY BICYCLE TAX
            Posted on: 2014-09-09 10:42:22   By: Anonymous
             
            I think that anything that has the right by law to be on a highway should be registered with DMV and insured. They should be required to carry registration and insurance, same as any motor vehicle they share the road with. The law to provide the 3' is unreasonable in the foothills with our narrow and winding roads. It simply is not safe driving on a hwy that has no shoulder and coming around a curve at 45-50 mph and you come up to 2 or more cyclists riding side by side. I rarely find they are riding in single files.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 22:21:14   By: Anonymous
           
          Gloop.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 16:28:43   By: Anonymous
         
        If you don't like the hillbillies, then go back to the city,,,we don't want you here anyway!!!!!

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 23:47:31   By: Anonymous
           
          ๐Ÿ‘

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No Subject
Posted on: 2014-09-08 14:50:10   By: Anonymous
 
There have been many times when I have come around a blind curve or over a hill, following the speed limit etc., and found a row of bikes in the lane going at a much slower rate of speed. I am amazed that, on our roads, that there have not been many accidents because of this.
When the car is going 55 miles per hour, it is not always possible to hit the brakes hard enough to slow down to match the speed that the bike ahead is going and bicyclists need to factor this into their decision to ride on these roads. Being right is great, but being dead is not.
And when you are on the road with miles of double yellow lines ahead, how practical is it to drive for any real length of time behind a slow bicycle, with trucks and other vehicles lining up behind you and getting more impatient by the second? So we will end up going over the double yellow line to give them this 3' area, thereby breaking the law, or we will have to patiently follow the bicycle for as long as it takes.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 15:00:58   By: Anonymous
     
    Very well said. I have experienced this problem in the Santa Cruz Mountains. You come upon a bicyclist who will not budge. I refuse to go over the double yellow, especially when I can't see what's coming around the bend. You tap your horn to let them know you are there only to be met with the finger. So much for "sharing the road".
    Sorry, but I don't have much love for bicyclists. Most of the ones I have come across are arrogant.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 15:29:04   By: Anonymous
     
    Great presentation.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 16:51:41   By: Anonymous
     
    If you can't stop in time to avoid a road hazard, wether it be bicycle or rockslide, then your driving too damn fast!! Regardless of the speed limit! Slow down Idiot!! What's your big damn hurry?

    It's Morons who can't drive that cause accidents!

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      Re Bicycle Law
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:21:40   By: Anonymous
       

      I think if I have to give for them then they should have to pay a license like I have to, they can ride on the highway for free, then why not us, they think we owe them a living and they do not move, will they get tickets like we do if they break the law???


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No Subject
Posted on: 2014-09-08 16:35:40   By: Anonymous
 
Wanna see Calaveras Ignorance?

The uneducated who want bicycles off the roads are the same ones thinking they live in a free country!!

I don't ride. But I believe in FREEDOM!!!

RIDE THREE WIDE FOR FREEDOM!!
F@CK THE IGNORANT!!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:08:50   By: Anonymous
     
    Ah yes the meatheads chime in again. Flatlander, Hillbilly whatever. There are good "cyclists and bad cyclists. " Yeah cyclists for mr. meathead Harley guy. I stick to the trail for all of the above comments. If you are not a cyclist think about looking back only to see a logging truck breathing down your next with no shoulder. Oh are you gonna give little Johnny 3 feet when he is on his way Hazel Fisher. You better give him closer to 3 feet than 3 inches.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:42:59   By: Anonymous
       
      I gladly come to a dead stop for little Johny. Slow peddlers on the highway get my respectful efforts not to crowd them. But this law creates a presumption of guilt on motorists, despite the occasional disrespectful peddler.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:20:45   By: Anonymous
     
    bottom line- this is all bs
    1- only sense works on the road whether cyclist,biker or auto
    2- you have no sense if you cycle hwy 4 or any other road without a true bike lane that has the 3 feet of room in it
    3- if you ride double or more you are not protected by the 3 foot clearance rule- just sense rule
    4- if you think the 3 foot rule will help when you are dead-continue to believe the law was enacted to be of benefit to you.
    5- the law like so many other legislated actions was done in trade for something else not because it makes sense.
    6- Lets invite those (all of them) to come up to hwy 4 and explain how the law they created will work not only here but other roads. Maybe we can all line up behind the cyclists on a highway (not a bike way) going whatever speed we need to (slow) until there is adequate legal separation to pass the cyclist.
    ISN'T IT A BIT FUNNY THERE IS NO LAW ABOUT ASSURING THERE IS 3 FEET CLEARANCE TO A HIKER ON THE HIGHWAY? MAYBE NEXT WEEK-THEN THE ...SQUIRRELS NEXT???

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:21:31   By: Anonymous
     
    bottom line- this is all bs
    1- only sense works on the road whether cyclist,biker or auto
    2- you have no sense if you cycle hwy 4 or any other road without a true bike lane that has the 3 feet of room in it
    3- if you ride double or more you are not protected by the 3 foot clearance rule- just sense rule
    4- if you think the 3 foot rule will help when you are dead-continue to believe the law was enacted to be of benefit to you.
    5- the law like so many other legislated actions was done in trade for something else not because it makes sense.
    6- Lets invite those (all of them) to come up to hwy 4 and explain how the law they created will work not only here but other roads. Maybe we can all line up behind the cyclists on a highway (not a bike way) going whatever speed we need to (slow) until there is adequate legal separation to pass the cyclist.
    ISN'T IT A BIT FUNNY THERE IS NO LAW ABOUT ASSURING THERE IS 3 FEET CLEARANCE TO A HIKER ON THE HIGHWAY? MAYBE NEXT WEEK-THEN THE ...SQUIRRELS NEXT???

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:36:00   By: Anonymous
     
    I'm not sure that what they want is bicycles off the road. When you speak of freedom you should consider all users of the highways. It may be considered an infringement on the motoring citizens if they are required to keep 3 feet distance, because that law seems to create a legal presumption that if a cyclist is hit it makes the driver automatically in violation regardless of the circumstances.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 07:22:06   By: Anonymous
     
    Go ahead and when I come around the corner, thump thump thump... three less chumps.

    Darwin rules.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 07:22:06   By: Anonymous
     
    Go ahead and when I come around the corner, thump thump thump... three less chumps.

    Darwin rules.

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These comments are silly
Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:12:01   By: Anonymous
 
I think this is poor law, arbitrary in enforcement.

I have been driving for 50 years. Never once hit a cyclist, never even close. I drive all over the county, on the highway and the backroads - never had an issue with bikes. Simply yield a bit and go around.

I am also an avid cyclist. I try to ride roads that are a bit safer, a little bit more shoulder with less traffic, but will venture on to Highway 4. It's easy, just stay to the right and try to blend with traffic. I've never had an issue with vehicles. It comes down to common sense and a bit of defensive driving and cycling.





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    Re: These comments are silly
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:17:21   By: Anonymous
     
    until the cyclists obey the laws of the road --- open season

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      Re: These comments are silly
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:34:52   By: Anonymous
       
      It's not the bicyclists that we have to watch out for, it's the stupid motorcyclists. They speed, tailgate, pass on double yellow lines and are just plain rude and you motorcyclists know what I am talking about because you all do it.

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        Re: These comments are silly
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:57:35   By: Anonymous
         
        boyo ya sure got your spandex in a knot. You're talking soprano. Maybe you need a girls bike.

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        Re: These comments are silly
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:59:12   By: Anonymous
         


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        Re: These comments are silly
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 18:03:08   By: Anonymous
         
        All drivers of all vehicles do that.

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        Re: These comments are silly
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 23:32:45   By: Anonymous
         
        You are describing half the people in cars and trucks as well.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2014-09-08 17:46:14   By: Anonymous
 
Does this law mean I have to stay 3 feet away from a peddler on a narrow mountain road even if it endangers someone else?

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 18:06:38   By: Anonymous
     
    Yes. What happened to slowing down till you can pass?
    A truck could consider the same as it waits for the soccer mom in her Subaru to get off the phone and drive.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 18:55:15   By: Anonymous
       
      So I slow down but what if other urgencies exist, and I have to make a choice between getting hit head on by an oncoming driver or bumping a peddler. what would you do?

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 19:06:27   By: Anonymous
         
        All the law says is to slow down if you can't pass safely ( 3 feet).
        Sounds like common sense to me.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-09 18:20:59   By: Anonymous
           
          Think harder and deeper. Slowing down doesn't always help you or anyone else. Going to slow can be a huge danger, especially on a mountain rode with average speeds of 50+

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 19:00:30   By: Anonymous
       
      Yes, you say? You must be very biased in favor of the highway peddler. Schoolkids are not part of this discussion. This is about people who choose to put themselves in harms way by driving on a windy mountain road. They should not get any immunity from the risk they take. I have a real hrd time believing you would take a head accident from another car going 50-60 mph over thumping a highway peddler at 25 mph.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 19:19:23   By: Anonymous
         
        That is a stupid argument. You are putting yourself in harms way every time you get behind the wheel of a car.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 20:13:10   By: Anonymous
           
          Let's all vote for the Rev. Jessie Jackson for the next President of the United States!

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 21:18:28   By: Anonymous
           
          yeah, and there is no law that says I have to be 3 feet away from other vehicles at my peril in relation to other traffic on a narrow high speed mountain rode. If you ride a bicycle on one of those roads you better not push the envelope. I watch these people and give them room, but I know they could hit a rock, or have a blow out or any number of issues,that throw them into the path of my vehicle. I have always been exceedingly careful and considerate of peddlers, but now I resent a stupid law presuming I am guilty if I hit a peddler. And I am beginning to resent the arrogance of those who refuse to accept the fact that if you peddle a bike on portions of these local roads you are putting yourself at risk.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2014-09-08 21:25:54   By: Anonymous
           
          What is really , really stupid is to peddle a bike on Murphys grade or Utica grade or highway 49, or highway 4 to Poole station road. 3 foot law or not!!

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        Re: what about...
        Posted on: 2014-09-08 22:49:18   By: Anonymous
         
        that kid who skateboards down the highway? now he is a huge problem because he's unpredictable.

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          Re: what about...
          Posted on: 2014-09-09 17:20:26   By: Anonymous
           
          that kid who skateboards,probably won't make it to manhood,at least not in one piece..he was outside vallecito rollin at about 45 mph,and i have seen cyclists on the ebbets pass,that were beggin for death ,rollin passing cars

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New law
Posted on: 2014-09-08 21:38:40   By: Anonymous
 
OK, we need a new law. If motorists have to slow down and can't pass a peddler, and 4 or 5 cars back up behind the peddlers, then the peddlers must pull off the road to let the traffic pass. Just like trucks, rvs, or other slow drivers, you must pull over to let other pass.

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    Re: New law
    Posted on: 2014-09-08 21:40:36   By: Anonymous
     
    Peddlers, if you are holding up traffic get off the road and let them by like every other good driver does.

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      Re: New law
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 22:21:55   By: Anonymous
       
      Just to let you cyclist know, If I see you on 4, as I usually do, I will make sure to slow down. I will get in front of you, and I will throw my 7.3 diesel truck into 5th gear, to give you a dose of black smoke. Ill make sure to go slow enough to stay in front of you for as long as I can.

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        Re: New law
        Posted on: 2014-09-09 00:25:23   By: Anonymous
         
        You give truckers a bad name...or should I say...the reputation they have earned and deserve!

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        Re: New law
        Posted on: 2014-09-10 18:42:33   By: Anonymous
         
        Jackass!!!

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      Re: New law
      Posted on: 2014-09-08 22:31:10   By: Anonymous
       
      ...and stop tracking mud across my nice clean floors!!

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        Re: New law
        Posted on: 2014-09-09 07:17:09   By: Anonymous
         
        Stop leaving stripe marks on my floor to wipe your ass please use toilet paper.

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Figure it out
Posted on: 2014-09-09 00:29:50   By: Anonymous
 
Much of the state roads her have 11 or 12 foot travel lanes. That is 132 to 144 inches between the center line and the fog line. Many vehicles are 102"Now take away the 36 inches for clearance for peddlers.

On a 12 foot lane (144 inches) minus 102 inches for the vehicle and minus the 3 foot clearance, the vehicle has to be 6 inches from the center lane to pass a peddler on the fog line. That is unsafe at any speed with oncoming traffic.

On an 11 foot lane (132 inches) minus 102 inch vehicle minus 36 inch clearance for the peddler, the vehicle cannot pass unless it crosses the center line or the peddler gets well to the right of the fog line. If the peddler is on the fog line the vehicle can't pass without crossing the center line.

A better law would be to require the peddler to stay 1 foot from the fog line or dismount and walk it whenever there is overtaking traffic.

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    Re: Figure it out
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 08:35:39   By: Anonymous
     
    The estimates above are probably not quite accurate.If we consider that a peddlers shoulders extend about 12 inches on each side of the , the problem becomes worse.

    If the peddler is riding on the white line, his shoulder will be 12 inches inside the line. 12inches plus 36 in clearance equals 48 inches. If a lane is 144 inches (12 feet) that leaves only 96 inches for a vehicle to legally pass. But standard large vehicle is 102" wide.

    It seems pretty clear that a standard 102inch wide vehicle in a 12foot lane does not have enough room to pass a peddler riding on the white line without crossing the center line.

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      Re: Figure it out
      Posted on: 2014-09-09 09:32:56   By: Anonymous
       
      DO the diesel stomp,
      Give them 6 feet and go around them real slow, when you get even with the bike stomp on the throttle and give them a nice big dose of black diesel smoke and soot, they love it.

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        Re: Figure it out
        Posted on: 2014-09-09 10:03:44   By: Anonymous
         
        The motorists must give bicyclists enough clearance in order for them to feel safe. It is very stressful for a bicyclist to ride among traffic and motorcyclists and motorists drive too fast and reckless for bicycles. Five car lenghts from behind and five arms length should be sufficient. If that doesn't work then the 10 second rule must be applied.

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          Re: Figure it out
          Posted on: 2014-09-09 12:43:18   By: Anonymous
           
          Aw nuts. They don't have to ride where it is stressful. Drivers trying to get to work or make deliveries get stressed when they have to slow to 5 mph on a highway grade. Peddlers can get off the road, drivers can't.

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        Re: Figure it out
        Posted on: 2014-09-09 10:06:46   By: Anonymous
         
        You can help them stay on the right by trying to be a good driver who does not kick the gravel onto the roads in curves, Many local drivers are not that skilled and should ride the bus. Those bikers who do ride too far into the road get to enjoy my railroad horn. Thats fun for everyone.

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          Re: Figure it out
          Posted on: 2014-09-09 19:57:24   By: Anonymous
           
          If they can't stay to the right because of gravel and sand maybe they should get off the road. Why should their problem become an impediment to the rest of the travelling public, especially those who need to get some place on time?

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Let others pass
Posted on: 2014-09-09 11:08:03   By: Anonymous
 
Peddlers should be as courteous as other vehicles. If you are going so slow that other vehicles are backed up and unable to pass- get off the road or pull way over.. When you are on the white line or even close to it, many other vehicles cannot give you 36 ' clearance and still pass you. Even on a 12 wide highway you basically take up 4 feet of the lane if you ride the white line. That leaves only 96 inches for a 102 inch wide vehicle.

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Keeping everyone safe!!
Posted on: 2014-09-09 11:32:38   By: Anonymous
 
I am a school bus driver, my job is to be the safest on the road. But when a scbool bus is doing the speed limit and comes around a blind corner to find a bicycle doing 5 MPH all I can do is hit the breaks. Who is in danger now? When a road way is 10ft wide or even less and a bus is 8ft wide where is the 3 feet suppose to come from. That school bus should never be over the solid line. Something is going to have to change and I believe the bicyles should not be permitted on narrow roads for the saftey of everyone.

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    Re: Keeping everyone safe!!
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 12:17:38   By: Anonymous
     
    DO WHAT I DO!
    If you have a diesel pickup slow down to a crawl, give them at least 6' of clearence, then just before you pass put the throttle to the floor and give them the black smoke and soot they deserve.
    Very satisfying.

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    Re: Keeping everyone safe!!
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 13:02:11   By: Anonymous
     
    "Something is going to have to change and I believe the bicyles should not be permitted on narrow roads for the saftey of everyone."
    Good luck with that one.

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    Re: Keeping everyone safe!!
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 15:19:41   By: Anonymous
     
    School Bus Drivers just need to be a little more safe on the road when it comes to bicyclists.

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      Re: Keeping everyone safe!!
      Posted on: 2014-09-09 18:34:25   By: Anonymous
       
      School bus drivers must protect the children, and I would say at my expense or anyone else on the road , including peddlers. They should have no greater rights than anyone else on the highway, especially because the are assuming risks that most reasonable people would not assume.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2014-09-09 14:56:04   By: Anonymous
 
I can't believe people would drive anything other than a diesel powered lifted kick-ass truck, let alone a bicycle! Bicycles are toys for kids. I know some of these yuppy flat-landers say they do it for exercise, but that's what PE was for! Idiots trying to control MY America.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 16:15:25   By: Anonymous
     
    I'd say it might be a natural reaction to hit a bicyclist rather than wreck a school bus.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2014-09-09 16:17:16   By: Anonymous
     
    my cummins will fart at every peddle cake I see don't worry ill give you three feet and three clouds of my cummins smoke

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2014-09-09 21:33:48   By: Anonymous
       
      What an ASS

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        Re: New law
        Posted on: 2014-09-10 06:08:07   By: Anonymous
         
        Jackass!!!

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No Subject
Posted on: 2014-09-12 08:00:01   By: Anonymous
 
if it comes down to me or the bike rider..they go down. this law is not reasonable in this area

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