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Posted by: thepinetree on 02/15/2018 06:22 PM Updated by: thepinetree on 02/15/2018 06:42 PM
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Is it Time to Revisit O'Connor v. Donaldson the Supreme Court Decision That Effectively Ended Mental Hospitals

Washington, DC...In wake of the Florida school shooting that was allegedly committed by a young man that many people knew ahead of time had some very disturbing tendencies is it time to revisit how we treat the mentally ill or potentially mentally ill?  The Florida School Shooting, Texas Church Massacre, Sandy Hook and many more were carried out by those with known mental issues.  O'Connor v. Donaldson was the 1975 Supreme Court case that effectively ended the era of state mental hospitals.  While that decision was laudable for many, many reasons it has also led to an era of epidemic homelessness, mass shootings and rising suicide rates. We have effectively made our streets and communities open air mental hospitals.




Yes, some innocent people would be institutionalized but at least they would be alive to try to prove their mental competence to rejoin society.  Could easing rules for declaring someone a risk to others or themselves be a first step that both the left and right could agree on?

The odds of the left and right agreeing on anything related to the 2nd amendment seem remote but both sides agree that those with demonstrable mental issues shouldn't be allowed to have weapons. The crux of whatever laws that could be made would have to tighten up the rules on what behavior could be deemed potentially violent.

More on the case from Wikipedia..."O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), was a landmark decision in mental health law. The United States Supreme Court ruled that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends. Since the trial court jury found, upon ample evidence, that petitioner did so confine respondent, the Supreme Court upheld the trial court's conclusion that petitioner had violated respondent's right to liberty.[1][2][3]"


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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-02-15 18:55:23   By: Anonymous
 
Someone needs to put the pedal down, and put most of the mental problems in a place where we can manage them. Sweep the streets, gather up the homeless, and take the mentally ill, ones that are in that condition because of drug addiction or whatever, give them a clean safe place to live, and weed out the ones that have hit on hard times, need a chance to get cleaned up, and find work and places to live! No pets, no drugs, but a place that is going to get them out of the woods, off the streets, etc! Many refuse this type of solution, they don't want rules, but tough love will get this whole mess under control! Our schools need to be looking at their free flowing access to their campuses! No one wants fences, security guards etc, but if we are going to protect our students, tighten up security! Anyone out there if they want, will be able to get illegal AR's or other menacing weapons, gun control isn't enough! Enough said!

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    Posted on: 2018-02-15 19:27:37   By: Anonymous
     
    Yes!!!q

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      Posted on: 2018-02-15 21:03:56   By: Anonymous
       
      The mentally ill are responsible for less than 1% of shootings in the US each year.
      Go look it up.
      Stop scapegoating the mentally ill.
      They aren’t the problem.

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        Posted on: 2018-02-16 08:17:15   By: Anonymous
         
        mentally stable people dont do mas sshootings.

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    Posted on: 2018-02-16 05:12:34   By: Anonymous
     
    We could start right here in Murphys with Israel. Just the other day in front of Sierra Hills Market, Israel tried to hit a guy with a long
    piece of wood, the guy blocked it, and then the guy hit Israel one time and Israel went down and out like a ton of sissy. "(Good Job Mr)"
    That's 3 people in one month Israel "tried" to fight, (well one he ran inside the mini mart and then was kicked out for starting
    trouble)two with picking up a piece of wood and trying to hit them with it. It seems he better stick to attacking the older residence who
    are 25 plus years older then him.

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    Posted on: 2018-02-16 08:16:46   By: Anonymous
     
    you should run for some sort of public office. i love everything that you said here.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-02-15 21:12:16   By: Anonymous
 
I never said the mentally ill are responsible for all shootings, but you can darn well argue, normally functioning people don't go on school campuses or concerts and start killing people!

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    Posted on: 2018-02-15 21:21:56   By: Anonymous
     
    Great, but it is the NRA that has advocated AGAINST banning guns from the mentally ill. Gonna have to go through them first. Good luck with that.

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      Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
      Posted on: 2018-02-15 21:57:01   By: Anonymous
       
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LYING, CHEATING, CROOKED HILLARY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


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        Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
        Posted on: 2018-02-15 22:23:45   By: Anonymous
         
        I'd say that you are a prime candidate for a mental hospital, with your ongoing obsessive behavior to Hillary Clinton, and your increasing paranoia. At the very least, you should not to be allowed to own a gun.

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          Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
          Posted on: 2018-02-15 22:50:57   By: Anonymous
           
          RACIST!

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            Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
            Posted on: 2018-02-16 09:35:08   By: Anonymous
             
            Yep, there's that irrational paranoia on display again. Now don't worry, we have your IP address and know where you are this very minute. The men in the white coats will be there for you soon, and please don't resist because they are backed by the secret police. Resistance is futile, and your foil hat cannot stop us.

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          Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
          Posted on: 2018-02-17 06:11:41   By: Anonymous
           
          Speaking of Hillary Clinton, "Reports are circulating that the Clintons have transferred 1.8 Billion dollars from the Clinton Foundation to the Qatar Central Bank, via a facilitation/abatement of JP Morgan Chase & Company for reasons not revealed."
          Seems like a permanent vacation destination is in the plans. I just happens there is no extradition to the USA, huh, go figure.

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    Posted on: 2018-02-16 07:43:13   By: Anonymous
     
    So by your logic, the other 99% are undiagnosed, mentally ill shooters?
    That’s ridiculous.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-02-15 22:53:02   By: Anonymous
 
corn, green pepper, chile, chicken...*sighs* onions.
Reply

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    Posted on: 2018-02-16 08:19:08   By: Anonymous
     
    this is trolling done right. lying cheating hillary guy needs to take notes.

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A problem with interpretation
Posted on: 2018-02-16 03:37:37   By: Anonymous
 
Maybe there was a problem in the interpretation of that ruling. It says: ". . . a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves . . ."

Everyone has assumed that the "safely" aspect applies to the mentally ill individual. Perhaps it needs to be extended to the rest of us. Why shouldn't we still have the right to confine the mentally ill so that the rest of us can be safe from them?

The left in California has always blamed the closing of mental hospitals on Reagan when he was governor when, in fact, it was a string of lawsuits by the ACLU's that put the mentally ill's rights above that of the rest of society. This culminated in O'Connor v. Donaldson.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-02-16 07:34:36   By: Anonymous
 
Ban the AR-15 rifle.
Do not allow those with a criminal record to buy a gun.
Do not allow people with Mental Health records to buy a gun.

There is a start.


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School Shootings
Posted on: 2018-02-16 08:12:10   By: Anonymous
 
Moral illness is at the root of the increase of school shootings and mental illness. A moral person does not murder. Our society no longer provides absolute moral values defining right and wrong and good and evil, resulting in weak and empty consciences available for whatever evil wants to write on them. Moral values produce and provide for the social fabric of a civil society; without these values the social fabric unravels. The U.S. is unraveling.

Publius


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    Re: School Shootings
    Posted on: 2018-02-16 11:32:13   By: Anonymous
     
    That's very judgemental of you. Maybe some people think it's morally right to shoot a bunch of kids. You don't want to hurt their feelings do you? - at least not without providing a safe space for them to recover from your micro-aggression.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-02-16 12:01:11   By: Anonymous
 
Women have mental illness too, yet 98% of mass shooters are Men. Maybe the problem is violent Men with too easy access to weapons of war?


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    Posted on: 2018-02-16 20:10:51   By: Anonymous
     
    Women use Planned Parenthood to murder children.
    Planned Parenthood murders more children than a years worth of school shootings combined.

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    Posted on: 2018-02-17 07:35:50   By: Anonymous
     
    Surprise! Women have the same access to the same weapons.

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    Posted on: 2018-02-17 07:42:54   By: Anonymous
     
    We are not talking about violent men, it's about violent children. Children who are brought without good male role models in their lives.In fact, that's a good description of this most recent shooter. Dad's too busy with his bong or drinking 40's to be bothered with his offspring.

    Ask yourself what happened to the two parent family? What happened to learning to live on what you had instead of abandoning the family in pursuit of more money to buy more unneeded junk.

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