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Posted by: thepinetree on 06/27/2018 06:04 PM Updated by: thepinetree on 06/27/2018 09:06 PM
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Box Stores in Angels Camp! ~ Letter to the Editor by Gail & Ted Bunge

Angels Camp, CA...Although we live outside of Angels Camp, for close to 40 years we have shopped along the Highway 4 corridor, including in Angels. Angels Camp City Council is considering a zoning change to allow Tractor Supply to build. When we hear people talk about wanting big box stores in our foothill communities, we remind them that most people move to the foothills to live in a rural area. If box stores are important to them, they can live in just about any other city in the country, where they can find all the big stores they want.




The strength of our county is the fact that family and locally owned businesses keep money and jobs in our community. Like most people up here, we sometimes leave the area to access a big box store. Yet, for most of our building and home needs, we have used local stores such as Calaveras Lumber, Ebbett's Pass Hardware, Spence's, and Middleton's, to name a few. The service at these stores is great, the prices reasonable, and the owners and staff are local.

Angels Camp City Council needs to decide if they want to keep their community rural or allow their home to look like most other towns filled with strip malls and stores that compete with small local business owners. They need to step up and show the people of Calaveras County who they represent.


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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-27 18:48:50   By: Anonymous
 
Build it!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 18:52:57   By: Anonymous
     
    Second that. You cant afford to pay the price a Ace for some things you get. Besides, more jobs for the kids since the rest of the county is anti growth


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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 07:45:11   By: Anonymous
       
      I'm sorry Gail, this one was lost long ago, Angels Camp is a box store.

      Dollar General, O'Reilly's, Save Mart, McDonald's, Rite Aid, Round Table, Starbucks, Taco Bell, CVS, Burger King and a few more.

      Can't wait for the Dollar General and Starbucks to come to Murphys.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:41:32   By: Anonymous
         
        Will never happen in Murphys if residents have anything to say about it, and that's a very good thing.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2018-06-28 09:57:52   By: Anonymous
           
          Murphys will never allow any of those stores to come in. They have strong brand and small business culture the community protects it.
          Angels Camp and Arnold should take a closer look at why Murphys is successful.

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2018-06-28 10:46:33   By: Anonymous
             
            Hey fools, the "people of Murphys" have absolutely nothing to say about it. Any box store which obtains a location in Murphys allowing that business use by right cannot be stopped. So get real fools, it's coming to Murphys too.

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2018-06-28 11:06:36   By: Anonymous
               
              Uh, not even remotely true.
              The town absolutely has the ability to keep out chain stories. Columbia rejecting Dollar General last year is a great example.

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2018-06-28 11:13:30   By: Anonymous
               
              I believe Murphys already had an ordinance in place to keep chain stores out.

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                Re:
                Posted on: 2018-06-28 11:38:10   By: Anonymous
                 
                Keep dreaming folks. Murphys is not incorporated and does not have it's own code, ordinances. It operates under county rules and regulations. The project in Columbia was not allowed by right, hence Tuolumne county had the prerogative of rejecting the project.

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                  Re:
                  Posted on: 2018-06-28 12:46:25   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Incorporation has nothing to do with anything.
                  The town absolutely has the right to reject businesses in locations they feel harm the brand of the town.
                  It’s happened before, you know.

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                    Re:
                    Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:20:57   By: Anonymous
                     
                    Please name the project that happened before. You can't. Murphys has no design review, special regulation or ordinance such as it might if it were incorporated as Angels Camp is. If someone wanted to put a Dollar General there on a property with existing zoning for that use, the county would simply allow them to go ahead provided they met the other general requirements for parking, signage, etc.

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                      Re:
                      Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:26:57   By: Anonymous
                       
                      Dollar General DID consider opening in Murphys. The community didn’t support it.
                      Why don’t you check your facts before you start disagreeing?

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                        Re:
                        Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:34:58   By: Anonymous
                         
                        If they wanted to put it in on a properly zone parcel they could and nothing could or would stop them, or Starbucks, or Auto Zone or any of the other. That IS a fact you cannot change. The box stores will be there as it all stands now.

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                          Re:
                          Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:42:29   By: Anonymous
                           
                          Really? Where are they?

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                            Re:
                            Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:44:33   By: Anonymous
                             
                            Just wait....:)

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                              Re:
                              Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:46:52   By: Anonymous
                               
                              Ok. Holding my breath over here....
                              😆

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                        Re:
                        Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:45:13   By: Anonymous
                         
                        That’s correct. They did look at opening a location.

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                        Re:
                        Posted on: 2018-06-28 19:52:54   By: Anonymous
                         
                        They're not going to a town, even an unincorporated one, where they are not supported. You've got a lot of stories but clearly no history. We've been here before with a long history of blocking box and chain stores. How do you think we've got to 2018 without looking like the rest of CA?

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                          Re:
                          Posted on: 2018-06-29 07:27:08   By: Anonymous
                           
                          I've been here 30 years. In that time there has been no long history of blocking chain stores. Keep dreaming.....

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2018-06-28 18:26:09   By: Anonymous
             
            Bottom line...Murphys is successful because of WINE!!! NOTHING MORE.

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2018-06-28 18:44:52   By: Anonymous
               
              And because there isn’t any Angels Camp style meth addicts and welfare mamas swarming the streets 24 hours a day! Kind of ruins the ambiance!

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                Re:
                Posted on: 2018-06-28 19:54:47   By: Anonymous
                 
                Not to mention no "affordable" housing. Perhaps a good thing after all. All the single ladies with their baby daddy kids are in Angels, San Andreas and Arnold. Grateful.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 13:01:19   By: Anonymous
       
      What kind of anti growth are you talking about? Thank you

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2018-06-28 14:12:15   By: Anonymous
         
        He doesn't like it when children reach heights above 5'8"

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2018-06-28 15:37:20   By: Anonymous
           
          We need a Victoria's Secret and a liquor store at Fourth Crossing.

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2018-06-28 19:55:26   By: Anonymous
             
            Now that is downright funny.

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    BUILD IT
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:31:31   By: Anonymous
     
    BUILD IT!! ALL FOR IT.

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      Re: BUILD IT
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 13:16:26   By: Anonymous
       
      Build it and they will come!

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-27 18:52:25   By: Anonymous
 
Why the monopoly TSC is competition.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 19:07:43   By: Anonymous
     
    While they’re at it - please bring in something other than savemart!
    That store is terrible, and has enjoyed a monopoly for far too long.

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      Bigger isn't always Better!
      Posted on: 2018-06-27 19:33:01   By: Anonymous
       
      When we moved here 30 years ago we considered Tuolumne County also but decided it was too busy. Calaveras has been just what we wanted and big box stores means big changes to our lifestyle. I agree 100% with Gail B. and disagree with the moronic accusations being made against Cal Lumber (and the lady at the lumber counter). Those comments sound like so much of the hatred posted by the liberals on other places on The Pinetree. You want bigger--take a hike and MOVE!

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        Re: Bigger isn't always Better!
        Posted on: 2018-06-27 19:36:42   By: Anonymous
         
        Will they sell those things?....and at a reasonable price?

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          Re: Bigger isn't always Better!
          Posted on: 2018-06-27 19:38:49   By: Anonymous
           
          If you don’t like our town please leave. We like it just fine.

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            Re: Bigger isn't always Better!
            Posted on: 2018-06-27 19:42:33   By: Anonymous
             
            I see Gail is making positive comments on her own article 😂

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              Re: Bigger isn't always Better!
              Posted on: 2018-06-28 12:34:08   By: Anonymous
               
              Hey Gail! Let's ban internet sales in Calaveras County too.

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        Re: Bigger isn't always Better!
        Posted on: 2018-06-27 22:05:51   By: Anonymous
         
        It was "liberals"??? Funny, I thought it sounded like Trumpsters.


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        Re: Bigger isn't always Better!
        Posted on: 2018-06-27 23:45:13   By: Anonymous
         
        Liberals don't go to tractor supply!! Idiot!

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 19:03:03   By: Anonymous
       
      Are you kidding me Savemart is great. Come up the hill and try shopping at Big Trees Market. It alful they run ,up the prices on weekends no help , long lines.everyones pissed off. The meat looks like it's been there for weeks, they call it aged. Be thankful for what you have.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 20:01:13   By: Anonymous
       
      You can go online to research the income amount per household and amount of shoppers needed per given mile for the larger quality chains (like Trader Joe's) to enter a community. We are nowhere close in terms of median income or population.

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We NEED growth
Posted on: 2018-06-27 20:09:25   By: Anonymous
 
Tractor Supply is NOT a Big Box store! We need local shopping opportunities and growth in Calaveras County. Sonora and Jackson DO have growth and are NOT big cities. This county is missing revenue opportunities by not allowing growth - we all go to Sonora to shop and to eat at restaurants and they are collecting our tax revenue!!! Wake up to this!!!

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    Re: We NEED growth
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 20:41:01   By: Anonymous
     
    Tractor supply sells cheap Chinese junk, how about a store that sells clothing, there is a tsc in Jackson and Sonora . We need growth not another hardware store.

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    Re: We NEED growth
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 23:35:25   By: Anonymous
     
    I will have to second that. Love my small town but growth needs to happen. I go to Sonora for almost everything. Calaveras has to do something to make up the money for the lost revenue..

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      Re: We NEED growth
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 11:29:33   By: Anonymous
       
      Yes we need growth but Calaveras County and especially the Hwy 4 area is largely dependent on tourism dollars.

      Tourism is image and allure. You build too many TSCs and Dollar Generals and why would anyone want to come here and recreate.

      They come here because it isn't like where they live. They come to see things that are unique to our area.

      If Gallo bought out all the tasting rooms in Murphys would that be "Growth"? No!

      If you ad the wrong mix of businesses you can drive total business volume down. In the end I believe Dollar General will lower taxable receipts total volume.

      Adding the wrong stores will lower business volume!!!

      This isn't left or right but marketing.

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        Re: We NEED growth
        Posted on: 2018-06-28 12:32:20   By: Anonymous
         
        The wineries bought out most of the spaces the cute boutique retail shops used to rent that were common in Murphys. Now we just have a bunch of Bay Area drunks acting as sophisticates.

        Is that growth?

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          Re: We NEED growth
          Posted on: 2018-06-28 19:58:15   By: Anonymous
           
          The original poster has a point. It's still ambience and doesn't look like the Central Valley and why they are here. Change anything in the current formula and it's over. You can take a Sunday drive for a couple of glasses of wine and look at a pretty creek, feeling like you had a unique experience. Sad to say. how many watercolors can you fit in your Harley saddle bag?

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        Re: We NEED growth
        Posted on: 2018-07-01 10:43:19   By: Anonymous
         
        Hope TSC does come here. competition is a good thing ! TSC is where I buy many of my ranch stuff.They have clothing,you can also order online.Cant do that with Ace.Although ACE has the best customer service.Need tractor parts TSC has it.I hope they come.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-27 20:11:20   By: Anonymous
 
As a small business in this county for the past 30 years, it's nice to think people shop local. But the reality of it is ,most often that does not happen. Product that is not provided locally necessitates leaving the county and often times when people leave to shop they buy more than what they were after. Should some of this be offered locally it will keep people and tax dollars here at home.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-27 20:14:40   By: Anonymous
 
I did not hear any complaints when Dollar General came into Angels Camp.

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Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
Posted on: 2018-06-27 20:31:49   By: Anonymous
 
Have you seen the many ugly, unrented, and empty storefronts by SaveMart in Angels Camps and Big Trees Market in Arnold? Are you “pro-growth” folks ready for yet MORE empty strip malls and giant big box stores (yes, Tractor Supply IS a big box store, despite its fake countrified, pseudo-folksy name) that will eventually be abandoned, in as often as little as 15-20 years? Are you ready for the urban sprawl and endless paved parking lots? How about that crapping mess of a traffic trap DIRECTLY in front of McDonalds in Angels Camp-are you ready for more of that kind of danger and chaos?! The bypass has nearly stomped the heart out of what was left of Old Town Angels Camp, so the short sighted pro-growth folks now want to squeeze trustworthy and long established retail businesses, rewarding all of their hard work by screwing them out of their livelihoods and hard earned money?!

Ohhhhhh....that’s right. I forgot. Conservatives aren’t really conservatives anymore. They don’t care about careful preservation and slow steady growth. They don’t give a damn about rewarding loyalty and hard work. They’re “I’ll get mine, and screw you” Trump voters now, and we must all be dragged down into their money hungry Trumptopia.

(But, also- yeah, B the counter lady at Calaveras Lumber is extremely unpleasant.)



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    Re: Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 20:43:44   By: Anonymous
     
    She must be a selfish, one way libtard like you

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    Re: Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 21:43:16   By: Anonymous
     
    Oh please. There wasn’t anything in downtown Angels before they put in the bypass. There’s exactly the same number of empty store front as there was before.


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      Re: Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:52:10   By: Anonymous
       
      100% correct. Hillbilly, absentee owners and storefronts allowed to rot with no real parking. Same as it ever was.

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    Re: Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 22:37:56   By: Anonymous
     
    Shut up you damn dirty hippy.




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      Re: Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:40:50   By: Anonymous
       
      Rub a dub dub, three hippies in a tub.

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    Re: Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 13:01:58   By: Anonymous
     
    Whatever. The so-called “trusty” long time businesses have been raking in the cash for decades by charging over twice as much for everything.
    I’ve walked out of Calaveras Lumber and found identical items for less than half of what they’re charging. That’s ridiculous.
    I’m all for supporting local business, but come on!


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    Re: Have you seen the empty KMart in Jackson?
    Posted on: 2018-07-01 10:45:00   By: Anonymous
     
    Sorry but empty store fronts are because of greedy property owners.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-27 21:36:23   By: Anonymous
 
I have shopped at Spence's Feed. When they are open they charge too much. They close too early for people who work more than a few miles away.
I welcome TCS.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 21:50:14   By: Anonymous
     
    Why the sudden outrage over Tractor Supply Gail?
    I didn’t see you picketing or writing angry opinion letters over Dollar General, or any of the other “big box” stores that have moved in to town recently.
    I’m betting she’s good friends with the owner of Calaveras Lumber.
    You’re so full of crap Gail.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 11:37:59   By: Anonymous
     
    On Spences, How much will TSC help the kids and their animal project at the fair? You kill Spence and you end up hurting the ag programs at the fair as well.

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      Helping our community
      Posted on: 2018-07-01 10:48:10   By: Anonymous
       
      TSC was instrumental during the RIM FIRE and the Butte Fire !They along with Petsmart helped with many many donations.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-27 22:07:16   By: Anonymous
 
Not sure if agree or disagree ? I like the concept of competition, but I also like to support local businesses. I have had an account at Calaveras Lumber since 1981, and the owners have always been more than fair. Their retail front store is only being competitive with other like businesses. As far as the staff at the contractors desk.....Very impressed at the hard work, and help they have provided along the way..
As far as comparing them to Lowes, Better quality, and better price on all their lumber products overall ! Thanks Will, Louis, Mike and Dianne for the many years of serving Calaveras. Remember folks, donations to the community have been greatly appreciated by us all during the fires we suffered since the Old Gulch Fire..
/s/ John M. I'll move Mike up a notch for a ride in the Cobra ! LOL

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A flaw in the Pinetree
Posted on: 2018-06-27 22:10:02   By: Anonymous
 
A fundamental flow in the way The Pinetree operates: a person writes a letter to the editor, and must sign their name. But any idiot can anonymously attack the writer, hiding behind the web. Only a coward would attack someone anonymously.

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    Re: A flaw in the Pinetree
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 22:10:57   By: Anonymous
     
    If you can’t take the responses, don’t write a letter GAIL.

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      Re: A flaw in the Pinetree
      Posted on: 2018-06-27 22:42:09   By: Anonymous
       
      YEAH GAIL.

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        Re: A flaw in the Pinetree
        Posted on: 2018-06-27 23:30:12   By: Anonymous
         
        Gail (and Ted!) , don’t let the negative comments bother you. Everyone knows you’re right about what will happen to the small family businesses. They just don’t seem to care. You were brave to write about how you care about your community’s economy and courageous to put your name on it! (Unlike all the ones who disagree or want to name call.)

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-27 23:21:35   By: Anonymous
 
So let me get this straight..... earlier this week we have an armed robbery involving an illegal marjauna grow with 4 guys from an Illinois gang getting arrested after they threw a dead body out of the sttolen vehicle being chased by the sheriff on highway 4........and the real problem in this town is a “BOX STORE”???????? Unreal.......

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-27 23:49:32   By: Anonymous
     
    Redneck hillbillies. That's the real problem in this county. They still think it's 1973

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:54:07   By: Anonymous
     
    The guy jumped. Expect he didn't want to go back to prison. Now he won't so a successful day for all.

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Calaveras Lumber
Posted on: 2018-06-28 07:34:53   By: Anonymous
 
The owner of Calaveras Lumber is a big cry baby about TSC. It's been known, but when the owner put in Calaveras Lumber his intention was to squeeze out Swendemans Hardware and Swendemans survived. And so will you Calaveras Lumber the only thing your wallet won't be as fat.

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    Re: Calaveras Lumber
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 09:20:18   By: Anonymous
     
    Calaveras Lumber was started by Will Fullaway in 1974. All he had was a small office/shed with a chain link fence down past Middletons. Everything for our home, which was built in 1974-75, was brought up in their truck from San Joaquin Co. since they were not able to have a big stock of material here. Mike and Diane would be driving that truck and this is before they were married. The whole Fullaway family has supported Calaveras County since then and persevered and grown. They run a great business and supply a large inventory of very varied goods. They have lived and worked here, and Will and Louise are now buried in one of our local cemeteries. They are a business worth supporting.


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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-28 07:39:04   By: Anonymous
 
I would support TSC

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 07:58:36   By: Anonymous
     
    PUT A TARGET STORE IN.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 07:59:55   By: Anonymous
       
      Yes! Target would be great.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:47:14   By: Anonymous
         
        We won't get any large department or quality grocery store because they're business model depends on a certain median income and population amount. These stats are readily available on the corporate websites. I would think I had died and gone to heaven if we got a Trader Joe's but guess what? 100K median family income and 100,000 population density within a few shopping miles. Ain't gonna happen here.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:55:39   By: Anonymous
           
          (Whoops. "Their" business models...)

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2018-06-28 09:26:45   By: Anonymous
             
            ( Whoops is it to,too,two )

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2018-06-28 09:57:58   By: Anonymous
               
              No worries. That was my - the poster's edit; all good. ;)

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                Re:
                Posted on: 2018-06-28 16:06:14   By: Anonymous
                 
                We need someone, anyone....with a brain in their heads on the Board of Supervisors.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-06-28 07:47:35   By: Anonymous
 
What's Middleton's worried about TSC doesn't sell house furniture, electronics, or household goods. I don't think TSC will close down Middleton's selling extension cords.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:11:20   By: Anonymous
     
    It wouldn’t do anything to Middleton’s.
    Gail just got a little melodramatic and threw them in as an example.
    Tractor Supply! Someone get my pearls! I need something to clutch!

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:42:57   By: Anonymous
       
      I'm not Gail I own a set of balls.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2018-06-28 12:38:14   By: Anonymous
         
        So does Gail. She calls them Ted.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2018-06-28 13:03:18   By: Anonymous
           
          I call mine Nuts

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2018-06-28 14:52:51   By: Anonymous
             
            Mine are Titleist.

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              Posted on: 2018-06-28 14:58:49   By: Anonymous
               
              ^^^ Put then on tees I want to drive them.

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Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:20:55   By: Anonymous
 
Local business show their true colors GREED!

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Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:51:07   By: Anonymous
 
Gail and Ted - I applaud you for your bravery in writing such a letter on such a contentious issue (and forum). I agree with most of what you said, especially about why many of us relocated here. However, Angels Camp is its own animal and as they allowed the chain food and coffee places in long ago and now Dollar General... the writing's on the wall. And despite groups like Destination Angels Camp and "branding" efforts, the reality is Angels Camp is just a fast food or Savemart stop on visitors way to somewhere else (like Murphys or Bear Valley). Thankfully, a strong community presence and organizers have preserved the charm that is Murphys. It was lost long ago in Angels Camp.

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Adding Retailers to Angels Camp
Posted on: 2018-06-28 08:55:04   By: Anonymous
 
I'm a relative new-comer to the area; in my 6th year as a resident. in rural Angels.

I personally welcome additional retailers like TSC. I go to Jackson to shop every 2 weeks: TSC for dog and cat food because they have what my animals can eat at a fair price; Grocery Outlet because they are much less expensive than SaveMart; car gas because it can cost up to 10 cents less a gallon. I shop at Spence for minor items; Country Feed for hay; ACE/Calaveras Lumber for fencing, plants, etc.

Seems to me there is room for TSC. Target I'm not so sure about. I love the store but it is truly a 'big box' store and could start an ugly trend of Angels looking more like Jackson or Sonora which have both sprawled and lost their small town character. Maybe a Kohls so we'd have a place to buy clothes and shoes but again . . . size is an issue.

IMHO: Angels needs additional retail but anything added must have a limit on maximum square footage; should provide a service we don't currently have available; should not extend the boundaries of the current retail zone.


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    Re: Adding Retailers to Angels Camp
    Posted on: 2018-06-28 09:31:25   By: Anonymous
     
    Bulldoze Angels Camp

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      Re: Adding Retailers to Angels Camp
      Posted on: 2018-06-28 09:59:08   By: Anonymous
       
      Still, last townie bar on this side of the county. Where will all the good ol' boys go if this came to pass?


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      Re: Adding Retailers to Angels Camp
      Posted on: 2018-07-25 11:33:31   By: Anonymous
       
      Hey watch it sucker!

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        Re: Adding Retailers to Angels Camp
        Posted on: 2018-07-25 11:39:32   By: Anonymous
         
        In reference to bulldoze remark

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Posted on: 2018-06-28 10:03:17   By: Anonymous
 
The only thing this forum proves is what a divided community we have become. In fact, I'd venture to say that we have no county sense of community but, rather, mindsets that are more common to Calaveras's distinct towns and burgs. Believe that's why county government and the concept of a board of supervisors no longer seems to be working as well. Valley Springs is not Wallace is not San Andreas is not Angels Camp is not Murphys is not Dorrington. Angels Camp and Murphys are in reality their own separate entities at so many levels. One size doesn't fit all. Perhaps it's time to rethink how the county as a whole operates.

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Posted on: 2018-06-28 13:00:45   By: Anonymous
 
There was a time I thought that locals would rally for small and family-owned businesses. Now I see the only real truth is many want only what is good for them. Same goes for many of the offspring of long-time families whose major concern is not community but having programs at government center to take care of their children by baby daddies who are not part of the picture. Often the same folks who say government and law enforcement can't tell them what to do. Really quite shameful how far many are removed from the original pioneer and independent spirit that settled the foothills.

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    Posted on: 2018-06-28 13:22:18   By: Anonymous
     
    If you wonder why the pioneer descendants of Angels Camp want box box stores, look around. Angels Camp is an economically depressed area, with a perpetually low number of young people seeking higher education, which in turn, means they can’t seek high skill, higher wage jobs.
    Which means places like Target look awful attractive in comparison to the mom and pop store which is charging three times as much for the same stuff.
    If you want to draw lines to points A B and C, look at the town and follow the dots. Look at societal and familial motivation. There’s a lot of poor families in Angels Camp, with deeply rooted generational poverty.
    These are people who can’t think beyond the day-to-day of survival - people who find Target very appealing, because it’s what they can afford.
    There’s a problem when you see kids who just graduated last year or the year before already having babies, and subsisting on minimum wage jobs. They don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, because it’s what everyone has been doing in Angels Camp since as far back as they can remember.
    It’s a culture issue problem in Angels Camp, and it’s been here a lot longer than the big box stores.

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      Posted on: 2018-06-28 20:04:06   By: Anonymous
       
      Well said. Nothing to do with box stores at all, really, as much as where these families are.

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Posted on: 2018-06-28 14:44:45   By: Anonymous
 
"Big Box" stores already exist in and around AC. I would welcome a TSC and the jobs and revenue it will bring. It will also put extra money in many pockets as residents will not always have to drive a half hour or more to shop.

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    Posted on: 2018-06-28 21:13:42   By: Anonymous
     
    Where is the
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Crooked Cheating Hillary
    Guys Comments when you need him???

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-07-27 08:27:38   By: Anonymous
 
The Trumpsters for big box stores are helping the Chinese sell more of their crap products. Y'all just love crappy stuff that doesn't last!

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Big Box Stores
Posted on: 2018-10-15 20:06:35   By: Anonymous
 
We need some variety for shopping in the foothills,competition means lower prices for consumers. The last twenty years nothing has changed in the County. These business in Calaveras want a monopoly they are just greedy business owners. The tax base would be great for Angels Camp.

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