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Posted by: thepinetree on 09/21/2021 10:23 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 09/21/2021 10:39 AM
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Stanislaus National Forest Proposes Eliminating Free Day Use & Large 100% or More Fee Increases at Developed Locations

Sonora, CA...The Stanislaus National Forest is proposing to charge new or increased fees at 31 developed recreation sites to conduct deferred maintenance and make improvements to enhance visitor enjoyment (Table 1.). Numerous day-use sites, overnight camping sites, and other recreation sites are managed without user fees on the forest.







“We recognize how important these sites are to our local communities. Fee increases will help us maintain the sites to the level and quality people have come to expect as well as make the fees more consistent throughout the state. During this public input period, we want to hear strategies and other ideas to help cut costs and leverage resources” said Beth Martinez, Stanislaus National Forest Deputy Forest Supervisor.

In 2004, Congress passed the Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act (REA) which allows the Forest Service to retain funds collected at certain recreation sites and use these funds locally to operate, maintain, and improve these sites. Ninety-five percent of the revenue from recreation fees remains on the forests to operate, maintain, and improve facilities. Raising the revenue collected through recreation fees would help the forests improve infrastructure at campsites and day-use sites and hire additional recreation staff during the season of operation. The resource derived through collection of fees helps provide quality recreation opportunities and creates a more financial sustainable developed recreation program for the benefit of future generations.

Under REA, all new fees and any fee changes must be proposed and approved by a citizen’s advisory committee. Committee members represent a broad array of recreation interest groups to help ensure that the Forest Service is proposing reasonable and publicly acceptable new fees and fee changes.

These sites will continue to offer free opportunities and fee free days throughout the year. The full suite of the America the Beautiful Interagency Passes will be honored at these day use sites including the Annual ($80), Senior ($20 annual, $80 lifetime), and Access passes (free for people with permanent disabilities). The forest is considering a forest wide annual pass for $30 that can be used at these days use sites. The Tuolumne River Permit is proposed for a fee increase to update a fee that has been in place for over 20 years.

Table 1. Stanislaus National Forest recreation sites proposed for new or increased fees
Calaveras Ranger District Site Name Site Type Current Fee Proposed Fee
Sourgrass Day Use Site $0 $5 per day $30 Annual Forest Pass
Union East Boating Site $0 $5 per day $30 Annual Forest Pass
Hermit Valley Campground $0 $20
Mosquito Lakes Campground $8 $20
Pacific Valley Campground $10 $25
Bloomfield Campground $12 $25
Black Springs OHV Campground $0 $20
Big Meadow Campground $19 $30
Stanislaus River Campground $12 $30
Rocky Point- Utica Reservoir Campground $16 $30
Sandy Flat- Utica Reservoir Campground $16 $30
Union East Campground $16 $30
Union West Campground $16 $30
Highland Lakes Campground $12 $30
Waka Lu Hep Yo Campground $20 $35
Big Meadow Group Group Campground $50 $100 per night

Summit Ranger District (HWY 108)
Site Name Site Type Current Fee Proposed Fee
Beardsley Day Use Site $0 $5 per day $30 Annual Forest Pass
Herring Creek Campground $0 $20
Herring Reservoir Campground $0 $20
Cascade Creek Campground $8 $20
Mill Creek Campground $8 $20
Fence Creek Campground $8 $20
Niagara Creek Campground $8 $20
Niagara Creek OHV Campground $12 $20
TeleLi puLaya Campground $20 per single site $50 per group site $30 per single site $60 per group site
Beardsley Dan Campground $20 $30

Table 1. Stanislaus National Forest recreation sites proposed for new or increased fees
Mi Wok Ranger District
Site Name Site Type Current Fee Proposed Fee
Hull Creek Campground $12 $25
Sand Bar Flat Campground $12 per single site $24 per double site $25 per single site $50 per double site

Groveland Ranger District
Site Name Site Type Current Fee Proposed Fee
Rainbow Pool Day Use $0 $5 per day $30 Annual Forest Pass
Carlon Day Day use $0 $5 per Day $30 Annual Forest Pass

Special Recreation Permit
Name Type Current Fee Proposed Fee
Tuolumne River Permit River Permit $2 $10 per Day

More information on the REA Fee Proposal process including maps of the recreation sites included in the proposal package are available here: https://usfs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=f6a8f81baf2843c8bd96c8035d8cc3bc

The public is invited to comment on the proposed fee changes to the developed recreation program. The comment period is set to end by close of business on November 30, 2021. To ensure that your comments are considered, please send comments no later than the above date to Stanislaus Forest Service, Attention: Casey Jardine, 19777 Greenley Road Sonora, CA 95370, or email comments to: SM.FS.RecreatFees@usda.gov.
Oral comments must be provided in person at any Stanislaus National Forest office or by calling Casey Jardine by 209-813-6011 and indicating you would like to provide comments on the proposed recreation fee changes. For more information on the proposed project, visit our website at https://www.fs.usda.gov/stanislaus/.

At the close of the public comment period, all comments received will be reviewed. Then, the proposed fee changes will be reviewed by a Recreation Advisory Committee, who will submit their recommendation to the Regional Forester for a final decision.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-09-21 10:44:30   By: Anonymous
 
20 to 25 bucks to sit on a crap encrusted toilet, and BYO toilet paper.

Defund the Forest Service!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 10:51:04   By: Anonymous
     
    Duh. That's the point. The Forest Service has been defunded to the point where you have to BYO TP. That's the point of the usage fees.

    I don't understand how people like you want everything for free in life, and then complain about taxes, and then complain about government services.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 10:55:53   By: Anonymous
       
      I don't want everything free in life. But getting lied to saying our taxes aren't going up is BS! This is a tax on our area pure and simple. Now money will be going to the Feds instead spent at our local businesses.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:25:25   By: Anonymous
         
        It's a usage fee, not a Tax.

        If it was a tax we'd all be paying for it. And that would be regressive.

        This is paid by those who use the resources. Regardless of where you live.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:28:18   By: Anonymous
           
          What income demographic primarily uses these locations? It is a tax on them and it is regressive!!!!!

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:29:26   By: Anonymous
             
            Increased fuel taxes primarily impact the poor as well because they have to commute to work.

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:53:43   By: Anonymous
               
              So, doctors, lawyers and CEOs don’t commute? Generalize much?

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                Re:
                Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:06:02   By: Anonymous
                 
                But who does the fuel tax punish? You already know or you wouldn't have mentioned CEO's etc for whom it will have no real effect.

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                  Re:
                  Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:59:00   By: Anonymous
                   
                  We all pay our share, buddy. If you somehow think you deserve more of a break, then you are in fact advocating socialism. Something I thought Trumpsters consider evil.

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                    Re:
                    Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:26:12   By: Anonymous
                     
                    Yes we do have to all pay our share. Problem is most of the time the policies of the left hurt the poor the most. The very demographic they say they are trying to help.

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:30:46   By: Anonymous
             
            That's not how 'regressive' works. People have not need to use these areas. As such they are except from the fee.

            People CANNOT avoid paying property tax.

            [Reply ]

              Re:
              Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:32:16   By: Anonymous
               
              But you used the opposite argument on Obama Care :) Which is it? Can't have it both ways!!

              [Reply ]

                Re:
                Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:49:09   By: Anonymous
                 
                So much anger and misunderstanding of how dollars allocated. We might better listen to your arguments if you stopped shouting.

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                  Re:
                  Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:56:20   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Left is always happy to "allocate" other people's money

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                Re:
                Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:58:46   By: Anonymous
                 
                I get the impression you weren't paying attention then either. I guess it's just your style.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:47:07   By: Anonymous
         
        Who do you think maintains our local forests (and much of America’s)?

        [Reply ]

          Re:
          Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:51:30   By: Anonymous
           
          define "Maintain"

          [Reply ]

            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:52:27   By: Anonymous
             
            No, you really don’t get it at all.

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:12:18   By: Anonymous
               
              No I do, your just afraid more people will wake up and vote you idiots out once and for all. The cliff you are pushing us all over won't work in the long run and you know it.

              Oh, you will get yours and your retirement so your life will be just fine. Those coming after you? They are screwed! But who cares right?

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                Re:
                Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:29:59   By: Anonymous
                 
                Jesus. Bloody GOP MAGA Fags getting all worked up about a $5 day pass to use a resource that needs attention. You people are all nuts and are keen to see this community go to hell rather than be funded to support cleaning, maintenance, safety, policing, infrastructure, etc.

                It's so sad to see where Trump has led you people.

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                  Re:
                  Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:55:50   By: Anonymous
                   
                  We would do the clean up for free if you would just take your jack boots off the people's necks

                  [Reply ]

                    Re:
                    Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:00:05   By: Anonymous
                     
                    Really? How many actually show upon clean up days

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                      Re:
                      Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:36:26   By: Anonymous
                       
                      I hear quite a few.

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                  Re:
                  Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:56:58   By: Anonymous
                   
                  ^ This

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                    Re:
                    Posted on: 2021-09-21 20:09:31   By: Anonymous
                     
                    >That

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                      Re:
                      Posted on: 2021-09-22 07:29:13   By: Anonymous
                       


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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:45:33   By: Anonymous
     
    You haven’t been paying attention. Like the post office and other federal entities, the forest service hasn’t been adequately funded in many, many years. Beyond basic amenities, they will now be charged with keeping our forests better groomed, too, because of fires and climate change.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:09:01   By: Anonymous
       
      You mean instead of letting overgrowth being turned into say, Lumber? :) No benefit to housing cost there.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:09:44   By: Anonymous
     
    Stupid inbred, quit expecting the govt to pay for everything for you like a sniveling liberal.

    [Reply ]

No Subject
Posted on: 2021-09-21 10:53:53   By: Anonymous
 
These fees are way more than just what is listed too!! Take the currently free areas such as Sourgrass. Take a family of 5 or 6 for a picnic and instead of an affordable family outing you are out $30 or $40 bucks just to sit and have lunch!!

To quote Biden. "Those making under $400k will not be taxed! Not one penny!"

User fees, inflation, processing fees, standing in line fees, fees to support infrastructure, etc. While not technically taxes sure feel that way.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 10:58:06   By: Anonymous
     
    And don't forget. Smokey will actively try and burn down our forests as well. Just ask Markleeville

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:00:26   By: Anonymous
     
    Sloppy Joe is really sticking it to the American people with these increased fees. This is just a start as we all will be paying increased prices for everything with his idiotic polices. Thanks to Demorats for voting this demented old fuk into office.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:28:29   By: Anonymous
       
      I don't think you get it.

      [Reply ]

        Re:
        Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:50:16   By: Anonymous
         
        Clearly. Another deluded, misled Trumpster.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:15:12   By: Anonymous
           
          as spoken by another rich, out of touch, leftist

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:01:35   By: Anonymous
             
            One who worked hard and got an education and thus career so I wouldn’t confuse a usage fee with a tax. Or understand the need.

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:35:17   By: Anonymous
               
              Biden says the money govt is giving to people is "Tax Cuts". So welfare now is a middle class tax cut? I guess only the "educated" would believe that.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:26:19   By: Anonymous
     
    It's not a tax. See the explanation above if you're not clear on what a tax is.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:31:01   By: Anonymous
       
      "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:57:15   By: Anonymous
     
    Biden is referring to income tax. Not a usage fee. So you don’t think the cost of a hotel stay, yard maintenance or even a haircut doesn’t go up? If you can’t afford to spend $30 to take your family somewhere, you had no business having a family.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:17:40   By: Anonymous
       
      Makes sense and you were in favor of the one child China policy as well right? Just a little post birth abortion on a national scale?

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:09:02   By: Anonymous
 
Pay to Play. Should have happened years ago. Tired of subsiding others wants.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:12:26   By: Anonymous
     
    Yeah, tax the poor who just want a little fresh air. You go Joe. Screw the little people

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:51:39   By: Anonymous
       
      Ridiculous comment. People of all demographics enjoy hiking and camping.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:56:15   By: Anonymous
       
      You have other free options.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 19:43:41   By: Anonymous
       
      Oh, so now its the poor that are getting screwed in the National Forests? Last time I looked it was mostly tattooed, motorcycle-riding rednecks swilling beer that took up all the campgrounds. Give me a break. Pay for what you use. Otherwise go to Florida where they have a lot of free alligator parks.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:58:22   By: Anonymous
     
    ^ This.

    [Reply ]

      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 20:17:38   By: Anonymous
       


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Tax the Rich!!!
Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:10:57   By: Anonymous
 
This is tax the rich in government speak!

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    Re: Tax the Rich!!!
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 15:00:08   By: Anonymous
     
    The democrats have never seen a tax they don’t like. Get ready…this is only the beginning.

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Thank God! Good for the USFS!
Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:25:58   By: Anonymous
 
Let’s see here….

These small fees will apply to people and families who have generally:
1) Bought at least $50-$100 worth of gas to get up to the mountains;
2) Spent potentially $20-$50 thousand on SUV’s and/or campers;
3) Bought tons of expensive groceries for camping;
4) Bought hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of camping gear, kayaks, tents, etc.;
5) Spend hundreds or thousands of dollars a year on trail bikes, dirt bikes, or horses;

I could go on, but a small fee to camp in our glorious state forests is perfectly reasonable. Trash removal, restroom maintenance, fire preparation, trail and parking maintenance, among other things, has to be paid for and absolutely shouldn’t be “free”. I thought conservatives believed in paying a fair wage for a days work?! Apparently the right-wing’s much-vaunted work ethics don’t apply to USFS employees or rangers. I’ve never seen a harder working bunch of folks in my life than the people who work for our state parks or the USFS.

Right-wing objections are just more anti- county, state, and federal government nonsense.

Right-wing objectors want EVERYTHING for free! They never seem to want to pay their own way, and are always looking for the latest tax dodge or loop hole. I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of such entitled, whining, and spoiled children.

I’m gonna make a prediction here: Some right-wing whiner, who doesn’t feel like they need to pay their fair share or follow reasonable guidelines, will camp illegally in the Stan, build a campfire and start a wildfire.


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    Re: Thank God! Good for the USFS!
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:34:49   By: Anonymous
     
    You must have never raised a family. Sometimes it is the little straws that do break family's backs.

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Right on the nose-THIS IS NOT A TAX!
Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:28:47   By: Anonymous
 
This previous comment is AWESOME:

“It's a usage fee, not a Tax.

If it was a tax we'd all be paying for it. And that would be regressive.

This is paid by those who use the resources. Regardless of where you live.”


[Reply ]

    Re: Right on the nose-THIS IS NOT A TAX!
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:36:52   By: Anonymous
     
    You people don't get it. Decreased utilization is the whole point!!! The rich liberals just want the "Public Lands" all to themselves. They really don't want the poor anywhere near them.

    [Reply ]

      Re: Right on the nose-THIS IS NOT A TAX!
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 11:39:54   By: Anonymous
       
      Just wait. There will be a form where if you claim you make under $75k a year you can get your fees waived.

      That way the rich liberals can feel good for giving the "Little People" charity.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:00:30   By: Anonymous
 
They cite one of the needs for I creases as "deferred maintenance", I.E. mismanagement. Fire everyone and start over!

[Reply ]

No Subject
Posted on: 2021-09-21 12:36:57   By: Anonymous
 
Or we could tax the super wealthy and corporations and fund the Forest Service so we can use the forest without charges.

[Reply ]

    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:12:34   By: Anonymous
     
    Take another Blue pill

    [Reply ]

      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:31:29   By: Anonymous
       
      Why is taxing billionaires blue though? So much of this red/blue crap is to keep us fighting each other while billionaires rape the planet and society.

      [Reply ]

Yep, right-wing whiners NEVER wanna pay!
Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:19:34   By: Anonymous
 
So predictable….

[Reply ]

    Re: Tax the Rich!!!
    Posted on: 2021-09-21 13:30:53   By: Anonymous
     
    The democrats have never seen a tax they don’t like. Get ready…this is only the beginning.

    [Reply ]

      Re: It’s not a tax, you f*cking dipsh*t
      Posted on: 2021-09-21 22:41:10   By: Anonymous
       
      IT IS A PROPOSED PAY PER VISIT USAGE FEE. For God’s sake, you cannot possibly be that completely unreachable.

      [Reply ]

        Re: It’s not a tax, you f*cking dipsh*t
        Posted on: 2021-09-21 22:50:23   By: Anonymous
         
        Most of these anti-government rankings are right-wing selfishness at it’s most unteachable. Some conservatives are literally unable to absorb facts.

        Again, this is a USAGE FEE, to support maintenance in and of our national forests. It is not a TAX.

        And I sincerely doubt that the vast majority of campers will find these sensible fees burdensome in any way.

        There’s just a tiny minority of dedicated whiners that make a lot of noise online. It didn’t work to recall Governor Newsom
        and it won’t work with respect to these practical fees.


        [Reply ]

        Re: It’s not a tax, you f*cking dipsh*t
        Posted on: 2021-09-22 06:46:21   By: Anonymous
         
        A fee is a tax. That’s what the dems called the increase some of the gas fees and the fees implemented on your car registration as there was a law passed saying all new taxes would need to be voted on. This was there way of circumventing having to vote on any new taxes. I’m not unreachable; just informed.

        [Reply ]

          Re: It’s not a tax, you f*cking dipsh*t
          Posted on: 2021-09-22 07:05:12   By: Anonymous
           
          I’m referring to California State Parks.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-09-22 19:59:38   By: Anonymous
 
I’m happy they are charging a fee!! Now the idiot morons who leave their trash, dirty diapers, broken beer bottles and whatever else the don’t want will have to pay to litter here. Good news!!

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