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America is not Republican or Democrat it is a Shared Belief in Ideals. Federalist Paper Number Four by Publius. Introduction by John Hamilton
Arnold, CA...With many of us concerned about our country we thought it might be a great time to look back at the inalienable rights and more that have been the bedrock of our country for almost 250 years. The Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness that we all at times take for granted was hard fought and narrowly won. In the end our allegiance is not to a King, Dictator or Strong Man but too each other. One thing the founding fathers all agreed on was that human nature is subject to weakness and they took into account human frailties. They devised a system that has at many times protected us from our worst enemy which is the reflection that stares back at us all from the mirror.
Click Above to Listen to Federalist Paper Number Four by John Jay
About the Federalist Papers
After the delegates signed the drafted Constitution in Philadelphia on September 16, 1787, it would only take effect after approval by ratifying conventions in nine of 13 states. The Federalist Papers were a series of eighty-five essays urging the citizens of New York to ratify the new United States Constitution. Written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay, the essays originally appeared anonymously in New York newspapers in 1787 and 1788 under the pen name "Publius." The Federalist Papers are one of the most important sources for interpreting and understanding the original intent of the Constitution and by extension our American form of government.
We will post a Federalist Paper every few days so even if we can only spend a few minutes to review our history our hope is that it will reawaken in each of us the deep wonder of the country we call home.
One thing we think is important in our Social Media driven world where people can get demonized, marginalized & discarded in an instant is that even years ago our founding fathers knew that ideas had to be removed from personality to be accepted.
Alexander Hamilton was such a polarizing figure that they knew instinctively that if his name was known as one of the authors a large segment of the population would disregard whatever he said.
All of us at times do the very same thing especially in our current age. We label everything, Left Wing, Right Wing, Conservative, Progressive, Socialist, Libertarian & more. So check your biases at the door and take a trip down history lane. You may very well emerge differently on the other side.
Federalist Paper Number Four is below.
Federalist Four was written by John Jay and is a continuation of "Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence" and is below our intro and is available in an audio format if you click the image below.
The Same Subject Continued: Concerning Dangers From Foreign Force and Influence
For the Independent Journal.
JAY
To the People of the State of New York:
MY LAST paper assigned several reasons why the safety of the people would be best secured by union against the danger it may be exposed to by JUST causes of war given to other nations; and those reasons show that such causes would not only be more rarely given, but would also be more easily accommodated, by a national government than either by the State governments or the proposed little confederacies.
But the safety of the people of America against dangers from FOREIGN force depends not only on their forbearing to give JUST causes of war to other nations, but also on their placing and continuing themselves in such a situation as not to INVITE hostility or insult; for it need not be observed that there are PRETENDED as well as just causes of war.
It is too true, however disgraceful it may be to human nature, that nations in general will make war whenever they have a prospect of getting anything by it; nay, absolute monarchs will often make war when their nations are to get nothing by it, but for the purposes and objects merely personal, such as thirst for military glory, revenge for personal affronts, ambition, or private compacts to aggrandize or support their particular families or partisans. These and a variety of other motives, which affect only the mind of the sovereign, often lead him to engage in wars not sanctified by justice or the voice and interests of his people. But, independent of these inducements to war, which are more prevalent in absolute monarchies, but which well deserve our attention, there are others which affect nations as often as kings; and some of them will on examination be found to grow out of our relative situation and circumstances.
With France and with Britain we are rivals in the fisheries, and can supply their markets cheaper than they can themselves, notwithstanding any efforts to prevent it by bounties on their own or duties on foreign fish.
With them and with most other European nations we are rivals in navigation and the carrying trade; and we shall deceive ourselves if we suppose that any of them will rejoice to see it flourish; for, as our carrying trade cannot increase without in some degree diminishing theirs, it is more their interest, and will be more their policy, to restrain than to promote it.
In the trade to China and India, we interfere with more than one nation, inasmuch as it enables us to partake in advantages which they had in a manner monopolized, and as we thereby supply ourselves with commodities which we used to purchase from them.
The extension of our own commerce in our own vessels cannot give pleasure to any nations who possess territories on or near this continent, because the cheapness and excellence of our productions, added to the circumstance of vicinity, and the enterprise and address of our merchants and navigators, will give us a greater share in the advantages which those territories afford, than consists with the wishes or policy of their respective sovereigns.
Spain thinks it convenient to shut the Mississippi against us on the one side, and Britain excludes us from the Saint Lawrence on the other; nor will either of them permit the other waters which are between them and us to become the means of mutual intercourse and traffic.
From these and such like considerations, which might, if consistent with prudence, be more amplified and detailed, it is easy to see that jealousies and uneasinesses may gradually slide into the minds and cabinets of other nations, and that we are not to expect that they should regard our advancement in union, in power and consequence by land and by sea, with an eye of indifference and composure.
The people of America are aware that inducements to war may arise out of these circumstances, as well as from others not so obvious at present, and that whenever such inducements may find fit time and opportunity for operation, pretenses to color and justify them will not be wanting. Wisely, therefore, do they consider union and a good national government as necessary to put and keep them in SUCH A SITUATION as, instead of INVITING war, will tend to repress and discourage it. That situation consists in the best possible state of defense, and necessarily depends on the government, the arms, and the resources of the country.
As the safety of the whole is the interest of the whole, and cannot be provided for without government, either one or more or many, let us inquire whether one good government is not, relative to the object in question, more competent than any other given number whatever.
One government can collect and avail itself of the talents and experience of the ablest men, in whatever part of the Union they may be found. It can move on uniform principles of policy. It can harmonize, assimilate, and protect the several parts and members, and extend the benefit of its foresight and precautions to each. In the formation of treaties, it will regard the interest of the whole, and the particular interests of the parts as connected with that of the whole. It can apply the resources and power of the whole to the defense of any particular part, and that more easily and expeditiously than State governments or separate confederacies can possibly do, for want of concert and unity of system. It can place the militia under one plan of discipline, and, by putting their officers in a proper line of subordination to the Chief Magistrate, will, as it were, consolidate them into one corps, and thereby render them more efficient than if divided into thirteen or into three or four distinct independent companies.
What would the militia of Britain be if the English militia obeyed the government of England, if the Scotch militia obeyed the government of Scotland, and if the Welsh militia obeyed the government of Wales? Suppose an invasion; would those three governments (if they agreed at all) be able, with all their respective forces, to operate against the enemy so effectually as the single government of Great Britain would?
We have heard much of the fleets of Britain, and the time may come, if we are wise, when the fleets of America may engage attention. But if one national government, had not so regulated the navigation of Britain as to make it a nursery for seamen--if one national government had not called forth all the national means and materials for forming fleets, their prowess and their thunder would never have been celebrated. Let England have its navigation and fleet--let Scotland have its navigation and fleet--let Wales have its navigation and fleet--let Ireland have its navigation and fleet--let those four of the constituent parts of the British empire be be under four independent governments, and it is easy to perceive how soon they would each dwindle into comparative insignificance.
Apply these facts to our own case. Leave America divided into thirteen or, if you please, into three or four independent governments--what armies could they raise and pay--what fleets could they ever hope to have? If one was attacked, would the others fly to its succor, and spend their blood and money in its defense? Would there be no danger of their being flattered into neutrality by its specious promises, or seduced by a too great fondness for peace to decline hazarding their tranquillity and present safety for the sake of neighbors, of whom perhaps they have been jealous, and whose importance they are content to see diminished? Although such conduct would not be wise, it would, nevertheless, be natural. The history of the states of Greece, and of other countries, abounds with such instances, and it is not improbable that what has so often happened would, under similar circumstances, happen again.
But admit that they might be willing to help the invaded State or confederacy. How, and when, and in what proportion shall aids of men and money be afforded? Who shall command the allied armies, and from which of them shall he receive his orders? Who shall settle the terms of peace, and in case of disputes what umpire shall decide between them and compel acquiescence? Various difficulties and inconveniences would be inseparable from such a situation; whereas one government, watching over the general and common interests, and combining and directing the powers and resources of the whole, would be free from all these embarrassments, and conduce far more to the safety of the people.
But whatever may be our situation, whether firmly united under one national government, or split into a number of confederacies, certain it is, that foreign nations will know and view it exactly as it is; and they will act toward us accordingly. If they see that our national government is efficient and well administered, our trade prudently regulated, our militia properly organized and disciplined, our resources and finances discreetly managed, our credit re-established, our people free, contented, and united, they will be much more disposed to cultivate our friendship than provoke our resentment. If, on the other hand, they find us either destitute of an effectual government (each State doing right or wrong, as to its rulers may seem convenient), or split into three or four independent and probably discordant republics or confederacies, one inclining to Britain, another to France, and a third to Spain, and perhaps played off against each other by the three, what a poor, pitiful figure will America make in their eyes! How liable would she become not only to their contempt but to their outrage, and how soon would dear-bought experience proclaim that when a people or family so divide, it never fails to be against themselves.
PUBLIUS.
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Posted on: 2022-08-12 20:22:07
By: Anonymous
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Oh Sniveler my Frosty needs you no what...
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Re: you know what....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-12 21:44:17
By: Anonymous
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Back to the Federalist Papers.
Division among states is a given. The Federal government must stand strong in times of trouble.
Congress must continue to bring Bills to the President.
Whether GOP or Democrat in its beginning, a Bill should be nurtured into fruition by its merits.
Republican legislators are beginning to see that inaction will lead to voter revolt.
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Re: you know what....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-12 21:49:43
By: Anonymous
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This Brandon guy... he is getting stuff done!
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Re: you know what....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 04:48:32
By: Anonymous
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^This
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Re: you know what....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 07:41:48
By: Anonymous
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Sniveler why do wear a jock supporter when you have a 1/2 incher?...
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Re: you know what....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 21:57:51
By: Anonymous
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Add 9 inches bich. aka Antidude
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Re: you know what....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 08:51:46
By: Anonymous
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Dark Brandon rising
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 09:02:11
By: Anonymous
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Brandon sure is getting it done, seems everyday everything cost more or you can't find it. At least president Carter likes old Joe. He's made President Carter looking better with Joe's continuous failure after failure. And Jimmy never abandoned Americans in a hostile country. He may of failed a hostage rescue but he never abandoned Americans and just forgot of them. That's something that will go into the history book for Eternity, as the Draft Dodging Coward in Chiefs most Disgusting Decisions besides Weaponizing the Justice Dept against his opponents and parents of school kids.
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 10:50:54
By: Anonymous
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Brandon denier and anti. Two dip*bleep*tts for sure.
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 11:42:26
By: Anonymous
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Yeah but Anti slams Sniveler all the time.
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 12:32:15
By: Anonymous
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Who gives a crap if a few ARE left behind.
It's part of war. Some don't come home, ever. Some get friendly fire. Tillman was a highlighted example. War is brutal. Hard decisions are made.
How many more dead American soldiers did you want.
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 12:33:26
By: Anonymous
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Who gives a crap if a few ARE left behind.
It's part of war. Some don't come home, ever. Some get friendly fire. Tillman was a highlighted example. War is brutal. Hard decisions are made.
How many more dead American soldiers did you want.
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 18:26:29
By: Anonymous
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Are you willing to die for billionaires is the only question?
Iraq, Afghanistan, down to Viet Nam were all wars for profit.
Hoo Ha! die for GE, that's the way, we thank you for your service !
You dead, we made $.
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-13 22:17:31
By: Anonymous
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And the TRUMPTURD on here is trying to bash Biden for getting out of a death hole.
There isn't any shame in being smart enough to cut your losses. Just asks Trump's bed partner Putin. Our as Trump says Put-in!
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-14 17:50:09
By: Anonymous
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the current administration by their forced invasion on Trumps private property declared war on the American people. It was an assault on our rights as given in 4th amendment. That is why we have the right to bear arms. When the government becomes a god onto themselves.
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-14 17:51:58
By: Anonymous
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wow you must think with the word you use
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Re: you know what Joe....you're a frickin idiot
Posted on: 2022-08-14 17:55:30
By: Anonymous
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slow Joe is senile and the present administration is evil but please fowl language belongs to the evil side. So please decide what side you are on
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