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Poll Results:  In June if Voters Are Given a Choice on Commercial Cannabis in Calaveras?

People Will Vote For Regulation   42.0% 42.0 % (152)
People Will Vote To Ban Again in Cal Co.   58.0% 58.0 % (210)


Total Votes: 362

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-01-12 08:58:16   By: Anonymous
 
The pro-regulation vote would be much more likely to succeed if the details were spelled out before the vote. If voters are simply asked to approve our BOS putting in place proper regulations, then no one can have any confidence that that will happen. The BOS has repeatedly shown itself to be completely incompetent with respect to all things related to marijuana regulation.

The responsible growers should get together and submit wording for the ballot that specifies growing will be limited to parcels 20 acres or larger, will be at least 100 yards from any residence not owned by the growers, will be secured by continuous chain link fences of at least X feet high, and so forth. I'd also specify record keeping standards, agreement to unannounced, warrant-less searches, and posting of substantial bond to cover possible environmental damage. In general regulations should be similar to those imposed on any other manufacturer of narcotics (e.g., pharmaceutical companies that make Vicodin or fentenyl).

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    Re: Regulation
    Posted on: 2018-01-12 10:13:55   By: Anonymous
     
    While regulation is preferable to a ban, you will not get the vote of residential property owners on 20 acres if that is part of something proposed for a vote. Growers need to move to ag or some other zoning. Many if not most non-growers who favor regulation do not want (and those won't agree to) this type of activity in residential zones.

    If growers want regulation, they are going to need to concede moving out of residential zones, with no grace period. That is probably the BIGGEST objection to the UO provisions. Variances within residential zoning won't work because many impacted are not 'adjacent, sharing a property line'. Basically, no growing of more than personal or caregiver in all residential zones. Zones like ag, if adjacent to R would need to get a sign-off from all adjacent residentially zoned properties, regardless if the property is/is not inhabited. Sounds harsh but it's reality.

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      Re: Regulation
      Posted on: 2018-01-12 11:57:03   By: Anonymous
       
      I had suggested 20 acres or larger thinking that would take it out of residential areas. If that's not the case, then I agree with limiting it to ag zoned areas.

      My main point was that the key features of regulation need to be on the ballot because at this point no one will trust the BOS to put proper regulations in place.

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        Re: Regulation
        Posted on: 2018-01-13 07:45:40   By: Anonymous
         
        Many 20 acre residential areas, in fact many 40 acre residential areas. Tofanelli had it right, I can't believe Garamendi and Oliveira would consider lesser acreage. Ok, maybe Oliveira because he is from the city and probably thinks 20 acres is huge.
        All I am reading about in these comment sections is how much money the growers have, how they invested million+, etc. Plenty of 100 acre or more parcels for a couple hundred growers to go in on or buy, so spend your money on getting a proper parcel. Yes, it will be expensive to buy, and you might have to start with a small grow and work your way up, but that is how most businesses start out. Welcome to reality.

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          Re: Regulation
          Posted on: 2018-01-14 09:05:35   By: Anonymous
           

          nah. let's stick with wine. classier people than trashy bikers.


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            Re: Regulation
            Posted on: 2018-01-15 15:25:06   By: Anonymous
             
            "Trashy Bikers."??
            Who do you think is riding up here for the wine festivals and tasting rooms??
            That's right,........trashy bikers.
            Take your snooty elitist attitude and shove it up your innuendo.


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              Re: Regulation
              Posted on: 2018-01-16 06:24:37   By: Anonymous
               


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              Re: Regulation
              Posted on: 2018-01-19 19:24:42   By: Anonymous
               
              Trashy Bikers sipping from a wine glass...haahhaaa, that's cute. Do they raise their pinky too?

              A good ol Bud in one hand and a Budweiser in the other is more like it.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-12 11:17:33   By: Anonymous
     
    tofenelli has the right presentation to start the processes and it can be tweaked over time as needed. sadly though the idiots have no clue about this but want it all at once. you cannot fix stupid.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-15 03:59:28   By: Anonymous
     
    cannabis does not serve val

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-18 20:50:59   By: Anonymous
     
    I so agree. I would really appreciate seeing and reading the Prop. I am on the fence and everyone I speak with don't know how to vote on this issue either. Your words make so much common sense. A voice of reason.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-01-19 11:12:25   By: Anonymous
       
      Yep. Me too. Not going to vote for a pig in a poke. But with clear regulations spelled out, I'm probably a yes vote.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-01-12 14:43:10   By: Anonymous
 
Regulated cannabis may be the last thing create job growth in Calaveras for the foreseeable future.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-12 16:47:16   By: Anonymous
     
    I want a ban but if regulated they must address issue of growers crossing other's property to get to their grows, the additional traffic is ridiculous. Also need at least 50 acres and they should own it so they have a vested interested in the county. They also should have a permanent residence on the property. They must be held to the highest standards as other businesses are. Just like any other business if they become a nuisance neighbors should be able to file complaints. Commercial property only or all ag property, no residential/ag for commercial grows.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-01-13 08:35:30   By: Anonymous
       
      If commercial grows are allowed, then a regulation also should address any grows that are not on county maintained roads. I live on dirt road that the homeowners pay to maintain. The pot growers on our road have a lot of traffic but will not contribute to the road repair work that we had to do. This needs to be covered in any regulation


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        Re:
        Posted on: 2018-01-13 10:44:46   By: Anonymous
         
        Growers don't belong in residential zones. If the UO had not allowed the expansion of existing grow sites from 99 plants to 1/4 acre, and the addition of many new sites of 1/4 acre, residential neighborhoods would not have had their roads compromised by large trucks and increased traffic.

        Any regulation needs to exclude commercial marijuana from residential neighbors, and any property adjacent to a parcel zoned residential needs sign-off by all 'near' neighbors.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-01-13 08:07:00   By: Anonymous
 
Who in their right mind would vote to regulate now that the growers have shown their true colors? Instead of sueing the county into bankruptcy, they should pony up the cash for the SO to eradicate all the illegal grows. After all, that was a major talking point for them, getting rid of the illegals with all their cash. Restore all the grow areas, illegal and legal. Fix the non-county roads that got damaged. Make things right again instead of destroy out of spite. Maybe once they fix the problem and clean up the mess the people would vote in regulation like Tofanelli suggested and most everyone would be happy. No matter what, get it out of any residential and onto large (100 acre or bigger) parcels. No contiguous parcel to add up to 100 either, that would be a can of worms for sure.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-14 08:22:25   By: Anonymous
     
    I agree with most of what you've said about regulation and the need to clean up our roads and environmental damage. However - given that the county just took away the livelihoods of (500+) growers and families, how likely is it that they'll pay owed fees, even with the county threatening lawsuits? That is just plain funny if not also so very tragic.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-01-14 09:04:48   By: Anonymous
       
      The lawsuits that the county is planning to enter into are to force the growers who have been closed down already for many reasons to pay the daily fines because they did not abate the grow and clean up the property. They were, from the day they were closed down, illegal grows. I have doubts that the county will get any of that fine money from illegal growers who will not care and probably have left the area, besides how do you get money from someone with only cash and no bank accounts or other verifiable money?

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-01-14 09:18:16   By: Anonymous
       
      Understandable that growers don't 'wnnt' to pay the fees they owe. It's also understandable the County has a right to those fees. Growers had 2016 to grow an sell tax free. They need to pay for 2017, and pay in full.

      If a reasonable regulation makes the June 2018 ballot, it is just as likely as not residents will vote in regulation. A part of this is education of the public. There are some extreme opinions out there in the minds of the ban folks. And there is s bad taste in the mouths of some residents who have 'less than desirable' growers as neighbors.

      It seems to me growers talk quite a bit among yourselves but how many talk with the non-grower community? Just having people sit on the 'grower' side and the 'others' side at BoS meetings is a sign of distrust. Take the initiative because it is doubtful those who believe in a ban will not make the effort to talk with a grower. They are fearful and many a bit self-righteous (like the lady who slapped Michael MacF at the meeting).

      Growers: Fight for a ballot initiative. Push to participate with planning, the SO, the BoS on an initiative. Then get on the meeting agenda of political party meetings, wherever you can ensure you have an audience of reasonable size and the exchange will be civil. Sell yourselves as non-threatening business persons, families. Have neighbors on your side get up and speak in your behalf. (You get the idea).

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2018-01-15 07:32:39   By: Anonymous
         
        The people voted for Measure C. Now the growers don't want to pay. The growers have openly proved themselves untrustworthy. They claimed to love the county, now it is all about how they want to ruin it. You can't believe a word they say at this point.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2018-01-18 20:32:56   By: Anonymous
           
          DEATH TO THE HMONG GROWERS

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What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
Posted on: 2018-01-14 09:39:58   By: Anonymous
 
The State of California put tax money into the Bill for Counties that allow Pot sales. The taxes that will now be paid by Calaveras people buying Pot & Pot products in other Counties will benefit all other Counties that allow those sales. Calaveras will not receive any State tax dollars from the sales of Pot because of the ban. Free money that we need but won't get. Vote for regulation in June and correct this stupid vote of the Supervisors.

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    Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
    Posted on: 2018-01-14 10:52:29   By: Anonymous
     
    not gwan mattuh. usa gon keel weed sell. watch n c

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      Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
      Posted on: 2018-01-14 11:51:34   By: Anonymous
       
      Say ASK not Axe ?

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        Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
        Posted on: 2018-01-14 14:06:47   By: Anonymous
         
        My Mom said all of the regulations will grow boob.

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          Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
          Posted on: 2018-01-15 15:46:27   By: Anonymous
           
          Seen a lot of growers that appear to be bailing out of the county the last several days, good bye!

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          Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
          Posted on: 2018-01-15 15:46:27   By: Anonymous
           
          Seen a lot of growers that appear to be bailing out of the county the last several days, good bye!

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            Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
            Posted on: 2018-01-16 12:44:47   By: Anonymous
             
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LYING, CHEATING, CROOKED HILLARY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


            [Reply ]

              Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
              Posted on: 2018-01-17 09:56:49   By: Anonymous
               


              [Reply ]

                Re: What we lose with a Pot ban in Calaveras County
                Posted on: 2018-01-17 12:45:04   By: Anonymous
                 


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WARNING
Posted on: 2018-01-18 15:53:23   By: Anonymous
 
THE POLL IS A SIMPLE HIT COUNTER AND CAN BE ACCESSED NUMEROUS TIMES.
RESULTS ARE INACURATE.


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    Re: WARNING
    Posted on: 2018-01-18 16:01:39   By: Anonymous
     
    The bansters vote over and over. Nothing else to do

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      Re: WARNING
      Posted on: 2018-01-18 20:34:48   By: Anonymous
       
      Go ask Alice, I think she'll know.

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      Re: WARNING
      Posted on: 2018-01-19 16:41:28   By: Anonymous
       
      As do others. The PT poll cannot be considered accurate even more so because those here have an ax to grind. It is very difficult to read the greater population.

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    Re: WARNING
    Posted on: 2018-01-19 11:14:51   By: Anonymous
     
    Of course. We all know that.

    You're welcome to post an argument one way or the other, and we can consider that. That is the only purpose served by the polls.

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    Re: WARNING
    Posted on: 2018-01-19 19:28:14   By: Anonymous
     
    If the poll is inaccurate and you take it as often as you want, go ahead and vote again.... oh wait, nevermind... take a nice long toke...and, uh.....yea.....what was I going to do?....

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-01-18 23:35:59   By: Anonymous
 
It's financial suicide for Calaveras County not to embrace cannibis sales!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-19 11:18:17   By: Anonymous
     
    Can a financially dead county commit financial suicide?

    We are kept on life support by money redistributed to us from wealthy coastal counties. In the State of Jefferson we will finally be allowed to die.

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      Re: DOPE
      Posted on: 2018-01-19 16:07:16   By: Anonymous
       
      Its too bad you can vote to ban dope and your vote don't count. Someone will come up with an obscure reason why the original vote shouldn't count. Greed

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-01-19 19:32:15   By: Anonymous
       
      In the State of Jefferson, we will finally be allowed to flourish without CA regulations and taxes. Without the highest taxes and most regulations, our county is hindered.

      We are not poor, only 85% of our money that is sent to Sacramento gets sent back, we are not taking more than giving. Much of the money that our slum lord governor returns, comes with rules on how it must be spent.

      You keep the money local, remove the highest taxes and frivolous regulations, and we can afford our roads, schools, and public safety.

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